The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[ADP02]

Don't know what this is all about, and I don't really care. Why do you keep dodging my questions?


Let's start here.

If Pacquaio says, "I never did Rehab," how do you take that statement and say that it means he did aquatic rehab?

Was he lying? I'll wait for your answer.

He only went for rehab during passive rehab phase and said he did the rest on his own (no rehab with PT).

Now lets see some REAL FACTS from your side. You are just speculating and you know it.

[ADP02]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. COME ON MAN. JUST STOP!!!!!!!

"It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound,” Pacquiao said to philstar.com.

Are you saying he was lying? lol

See my above post.

Still no facts from your side.

BTW - I did just like Manny when you come to think about it. I had injuries. Started out going to PT then stopped and did it on my own. Followed some exercises that were given to me by the PT (gave me instructions to follow).

So I'm going by experience.

[travestyny]

He only went for rehab during passive rehab phase and said he did the rest on his own (no rehab with PT).

Now lets see some REAL FACTS from your side. You are just speculating and you know it.

Say what? Please show proof of this!

[travestyny]

See my above post.

Still no facts from your side.

BTW - I did just like Manny when you come to think about it. I had injuries. Started out going to PT then stopped and did it on my own. Followed some exercises that were given to me by the PT (gave me instructions to follow).

So I'm going by experience.

Huh? You completely missed the point of my post. Let's try this again.

Now instead of pointing to "Swimming" that has NOTHING to do with Manny...

All I did was to SWIM in the sea as often as I could.

How do you reconcile that?

[Real King Kong]

See my above post.

Still no facts from your side.

BTW - I did just like Manny when you come to think about it. I had injuries. Started out going to PT then stopped and did it on my own. Followed some exercises that were given to me by the PT (gave me instructions to follow).

So I'm going by experience.

Wait a minute...you said me going by experience with my shoulder injury wasn't valid, yet you drawing conclusions from your personal experience is ok?

[ADP02]

Say what? Please show proof of this!

He only went for rehab during passive rehab phase and said he did the rest on his own (no rehab with PT).

Now lets see some REAL FACTS from your side. You are just speculating and you know it.

Huh? You completely missed the point of my post. Let's try this again.





How do you reconcile that?

"we did have a bit of a slow rehab at first because he’s doing it in the Philippines" - Roach


Notice how you skip all my points and questions ..... where are your facts? Are they just like that debunked picture?

[ADP02]

Wait a minute...you said me going by experience with my shoulder injury wasn't valid, yet you drawing conclusions from your personal experience is ok?

You can definitely talk about your experience. The more info the better BUT that does not mean that everyone will have the exact same experience as you did.

I verified that by checking out studies, doctors responses to questions and so on. So that is why I came back and said that YOUR situation does not conclude that what Manny experienced is not possible.

[travestyny]

Notice how you skip all my points and questions ..... where are your facts? Are they just like that debunked picture?

Skip all of your points? YOU HAVE NO POINTS! Here we go again:

"we did have a bit of a slow rehab at first because he’s doing it in the Philippines" - Roach

"I NEVER SAW A DOCTOR. I NEVER DID REHAB."

How do you reconcile this? I'm guessing you can't since you still haven't reconciled your statement that swimming had nothing to do with Manny Pacquiao.

Real FACTS!

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.
http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=...tor-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.
http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwheal...RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.
http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-spo...20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery
http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/doc..._Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery
http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo...20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery
http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/ro...ff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rot...ond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6
http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default...uff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)
http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/

[Real King Kong]

You can definitely talk about your experience. The more info the better BUT that does not mean that everyone will have the exact same experience as you did.

I verified that by checking out studies, doctors responses to questions and so on. So that is why I came back and said that YOUR situation does not conclude that what Manny experienced is not possible.

No...it's not different, you're just being a hypocrite. Your experience does not conclude that manny rehabilitating his own injury in record time is possible either.

[ADP02]

No...it's not different, you're just being a hypocrite. Your experience does not conclude that manny rehabilitating his own injury in record time is possible either.

Manny came back almost 1 year after surgery. That is not in record time.

Even Teddy Atlas who has been one of Manny's worst critics said that he was OK with Manny's non-conventional rehab.

Go check out the study that I posted on the previous page. Some with large and even massive tears can be in a functionally recovered even earlier than some with just a partial tear. Various reasons for that including, age, state of health, successful surgery and so on. Manny's doctor said it was a significant tear but not a serious one due to Manny's situation/condition.