Comments Thread For: Helenius Turned Down Klitschko's Offer, Will Help Tyson Fury

[ShoulderRoll]

When have you ever heard of a sparring partner working both sides of the fence for a single fight? That's absurd. Once he goes to camp Fury, Klitschko's team will never use him and vice versa.

If I was a member of Team Fury I would definitely not want Helenius to go to Klitschko's camp after having helped in my camp.

There's too much insider information he could give Klitschko.

Wlad will still go down as the most dominant SHW champion no matter where you rank them ,instead of given advice how to defeat Wlad Lewis himself should have stepped in himself and tried it in 2003 .

Wlad had a dominant run but because of the quality of his opposition Lennox will STILL rank higher than him or Vitali on most people's lists.

[BoxingFan85]

IMO.. Wlad is Technically a better boxer & Lennox is a better fighter..

instead of given advice how to defeat Wlad Lewis himself should have stepped in himself and tried it in 2003 .

That was the plan & Lennox in between his camp for Rahman went to shoot for Ocean's 11 for a scene with Wlad because he wanted see for himself Wlad's reach, get a sense of his skills etc but he lost to Rahman.. BTW, Vitali also was a last min. replacement(15 days of notice) as Kirk Johnson pulled out of his fight with Lennox..

Lennox & Wlad always said they wanted to face each other..

[juggernaut666]

If I was a member of Team Fury I would definitely not want Helenius to go to Klitschko's camp after having helped in my camp.

There's too much insider information he could give Klitschko.



Wlad had a dominant run but because of the quality of his opposition Lennox will STILL rank higher than him or Vitali on most people's lists.

Wlad was still more dominant, rankings and head to head fights are two different thing ,ive never heard anyone who sparred or fought both pick Lewis over Wlad ,though right now i would slightly favor Lewis like i would slightly favor Vitali over either. Lewis has the luxury of the all ametican cast of the very strong 1990's so he would be viewed to rank over anyone at HW.

[juggernaut666]

IMO.. Wlad is Technically a better boxer & Lennox is a better fighter..




That was the plan & Lennox in between his camp for Rahman went to shoot for Ocean's 11 for a scene with Wlad because he wanted see for himself Wlad's reach, get a sense of his skills etc but he lost to Rahman.. BTW, Vitali also was a last min. replacement(15 days of notice) as Kirk Johnson pulled out of his fight with Lennox..

Lennox & Wlad always said they wanted to face each other..

Theres a difference between Kirk Johnson and who Vitali was training for .Lewis squashed a Vitali fight 4 times prior to Johnsons replacement and admitted given Vitali 2weeks notice and setting up the fight because it would be in his favor .In the back of my mind i always felt a small chance this was planned ,the Lewis camp never seemed to want a set date to give Vitali ,but onenever knows?

[BoxingFan85]

Theres a difference between Kirk Johnson and who Vitali was training for .Lewis squashed a Vitali fight 4 times prior to Johnsons replacement and admitted given Vitali 2weeks notice and setting up the fight because it would be in his favor .In the back of my mind i always felt a small chance this was planned ,the Lewis camp never seemed to want a set date to give Vitali ,but onenever knows?

I have heard this before & there might be some truth to it but we'd never know now.. Manny in some interview said that if the Lewis-Vitali fight had continued for few more rounds than it did, it would have been a totally different outcome Lewis was winded, did not have much left in the tank & also was not in his best physical shape(heaviest he had fought I recon)..

[ShoulderRoll]

Wlad was still more dominant, rankings and head to head fights are two different thing.....

I would argue that historical rankings and how you would do head-to-head against other champions are more meaningful then how dominant you were. Especially if you were dominant in an absolutely horrible era, in the end what does that prove really?

But that's just my opinion.

[PittyPat]

Good to hear. It'll keep him busy after the KO loss, and maybe he'll pick up a few tips from Fury on how to fight truly effectively as a big man. Helenius still looks as stiff as a robot, so Fury could show him how to loosen up a bit and box in circles instead of standing upright like a statue all the time.

[joe strong]

Im not talking rankings or who likes who im talking Lennox views,if theres a chance he can help Klitckos lose he will take it . ,Before Steward passed he stated Wlad was the better fighter . Wlad will still go down as the most dominant SHW champion no matter where you rank them ,instead of given advice how to defeat Wlad Lewis himself should have stepped in himself and tried it in 2003 .

If you watched the HBO version of sanders/wlad then you would know lennox was going to give wlad a shot if he beat sanders. He was scouting him as an opponent. Wlad took sanders lightly after 10 or so guys turned down the biggest payday of their careers to fight him. Sanders was just suppose to be an opponent. Guess he never watched sandees/rahman. The massive payday fighting wlad went out the door when he got laid out. Lennox also considered going to buffalo to fight joe mesi because he could bring in good crowds in buffalo arena.

[joe strong]

Theres a difference between Kirk Johnson and who Vitali was training for .Lewis squashed a Vitali fight 4 times prior to Johnsons replacement and admitted given Vitali 2weeks notice and setting up the fight because it would be in his favor .In the back of my mind i always felt a small chance this was planned ,the Lewis camp never seemed to want a set date to give Vitali ,but onenever knows?

Of course he didn't fight vitali before johnson. Lennox wouldnt fight byrd or ruiz either because the money was not goid enough. Vitali quit against byrd & had done nothing to earn a shot. Lennox barely trained for johnson & figured what the hell? If byrd could make him quit then so could he. Tko6

[juggernaut666]

I have heard this before & there might be some truth to it but we'd never know now.. Manny in some interview said that if the Lewis-Vitali fight had continued for few more rounds than it did, it would have been a totally different outcome Lewis was winded, did not have much left in the tank & also was not in his best physical shape(heaviest he had fought I recon)..

Thats not a rumor Vitalis managers even gave specific dates if i get to it i''ll dig up the articles .
Lewis put on size specifically for Vitali ,the shots Vitali was landing sapped most of the energy out of Lewis ,a lesser caliber fighter would have went down .