Comments Thread For: Povetkin's Promoter: Wilder is NOT Getting Paid Until He Fights!

[Shadoww702]

"So Povetkin, who has yet to ask for his B sample to be tested"

Sooo When is he going to ask for his "B" Sample to be tested??? HAHA and he got popped by a piss test! His DUMB @SS Promoter STILL thinks it was the Blood test he got popped with!!!

"ESPN first reported on Friday that Povetkin tested positive for meldonium in an April 27 urine test"

Andrey Ryabinsky of World of Boxing told the Russian TASS news agency that "traces of extremely low concentration of meldonium have been found in his blood.


*** if your gonna lie at least get your story straight.

[Shadoww702]

How do you know that Wilder's team didn't ask or demand that the WBC call the fight off? If his team would write a letter to the bank asking the bank not to return the promoter's money after Wilder cancelled the fight, they will do anything.

There is no way in hell the WBC would CANCEL the fight and miss out on their three percent cut! This was Wilder and his team's decision!!!!

So if you had a HUGE CHAMPIONSHIP match for YOUR Belt and you found out the other guy failed his drug test just DAYS before you were suppose to fight him. You would be cool to STILL fight him???

Are you gonna admit your are WRONG when his "B" samples come up + ???

[krazyn8tive]

If you are really Native that's a fuucking shame. You hate blacks but don't say anything about the people who stole your land. You should be stoned. You don't represent any of the Natives I know! You must have grew up trying to be white. You should be stoned with the biggest bolders

Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha

[richardt]

Not convinced about that at all.They seem like absurd reasons to kill a super-fight. And then, suddenly..... those phobia's simply disappeared, and were never mentioned again..... not once. Anyway like you say, history now.

I wrote a book on social psychology (wont mention here) and an interesting observation I have made regarding the Pac/Mayweather situation was this:

When someone makes a demand, there are two potential outcomes from the person receiving the demand. Person #1 who I will call Jack (rhymes with Pac) can respond in a childish way by being offended by the demand and let their ego get in the way because all along they have been the A side in most of their negotiations and now that they felt insulted they become non-responsive to the demand and strive to justify themselves by not complying...and expecting the general public to believe them without them having to prove anything or giving in to the demand (taking the tests) so they stand firm. It does not mean they are guilty of anything or taking anything, they pretty much limited their options and their childlike response becomes a bad business decision. Then they start thinking about public perception, how they really want the fight, and the money and then they compromise and agree to everything.

Person #2 who I will call (mature) Jack may have an ego but perhaps is just a nit more mature and even though he wants people to know he has never taken anything, he is torn between telling the person who made the demand to get lost because he has done nothing wrong. But instead he drops his ego and decides to go along with the plan and from a mature standpoint, he realizes that deciding to just go along with the testing at the get-go is the best choice for him, for Boxing, and for the money. He swallows his pride because he is more mature and the fight gets signed. Those are two quite different psychological responses to the same situation. Maybe we have all had some of both in our lives, responding to something in an immature way and a similar situation where we responded in a mature way. The human ego is fragile.

People have an odd way of defending themselves and will react differently to the same situation. Much of the response could be based on how a demand is presented. Lets say in a different scenario, a man rushes into his bosses office and demands a raise. The boss may just get angry and things get out of control and the requestor either does not get a raise or worse, gets fired. What if that same man wrote a list of things that illustrate how he has helped the company and with the list, copies email responses from customers praising his work and his approach is sincere and personal when he asks the boss for a raise. It is doubtful he gets fired and may even get that raise. Mayweather could have been either of these men who played the person making the request or demand, one who made an accusation and a demand which is what appears to be the case. Or lets say Mayweather sat down with Pac and had a personal discussion and instead of accusing Pac, he explained that the two of them could work to clean up the sport and set an example for others. If this was the case, a better chance of fostering an agreement could have resulted.

So here you have 4 different scenarios which can produce so many outcomes. Therefore, someone who says that avoiding something is an admission of guilt does not understand the psychological influences of the human response that these scenarios produce and the sometimes expected and sometimes unexpected outcomes. Some people have sworn they would never take a lie detector test to prove their innocence because they felt no one should ever dare to accuse them.....and then eventually took the test and passed. In a nutshell, that sums it up.

But the prima donna in both men I believe got the best of them and maybe a combination of the way Floyd presented it as a request or demand and the way Pac responded in a childish way, combusted and both sides floundered in one negotiation after another and the fallout occurred till years later when both sides decided to just get the fight done. Probably easier to work with each other than constantly hearing disapproval from the public. Like two little kids, they figured out a way to play with each other because it was in their best interest....after all, they are the only two in the sandbox.

You're a smart guy, I see that....that's why I wrote all this....

[aboutfkntime]

"So Povetkin, who has yet to ask for his B sample to be tested"

Sooo When is he going to ask for his "B" Sample to be tested??? HAHA and he got popped by a piss test! His DUMB @SS Promoter STILL thinks it was the Blood test he got popped with!!!

"ESPN first reported on Friday that Povetkin tested positive for meldonium in an April 27 urine test"

Andrey Ryabinsky of World of Boxing told the Russian TASS news agency that "traces of extremely low concentration of meldonium have been found in his blood.


*** if your gonna lie at least get your story straight.

ouch..... owned !

Do you have a link to the ESPN article confirming that it was indeed a urine test that Povetkin failed?

[aboutfkntime]

I wrote a book on social psychology (wont mention here) and an interesting observation I have made regarding the Pac/Mayweather situation was this:

When someone makes a demand, there are two potential outcomes from the person receiving the demand. Person #1 who I will call Jack (rhymes with Pac) can respond in a childish way by being offended by the demand and let their ego get in the way because all along they have been the A side in all negotiations and now that they felt insulted they become non-responsive to the demand and strive to justify themselves by not complying and expecting the general public to believe them without them having to prove anything or giving in to the demand (taking the tests) so they stand firm. It does not mean they are guilty of anything or taking anything, they pretty much limited their options and their childlike response becomes a bad business decision. Then they start thinking about public perception, how they really want the fight, and the money and then they compromise and agree to everything.

Person #2 who I will call (mature) Jack may have an ego but perhaps is just a nit more mature and even though he wants people to know he has never taken anything, he is torn between telling the person who made the demand to get lost because he has done nothing wrong. But instead he drops his ego and decides to go along with the plan and from a mature standpoint, he realizes that deciding to just go along with the testing at the get-go is the best choice for him, for Boxing, and for the money. He swallows his pride because he is more mature and the fight gets signed. Those are two quite different psychological responses to the same situation. Maybe we have all had some of both in our lives, responding to something in an immature way and a similar situation where we responded in a mature way. The human ego is fragile.

People have an odd way of defending themselves and will react differently to the same situation. Much of the response could be based on how a demand is presented. Lets say in a different scenario, a man rushes into his bosses office and demands a raise. The boss may just get angry and things get out of control and the requestor either does not get a raise or worse, gets fired. What if that same man wrote a list of things that illustrate how he has helped the company and with the list, copies email responses from customers praising his work and his approach is sincere and personal when he asks the boss for a raise. It is doubtful he gets fired and may even get that raise. Mayweather could have been either of these men who played the person making the request or demand, one who made an accusation and a demand which is what appears to be the case. Or lets say Mayweather sat down with Pac and had a personal discussion and instead of accusing Pac, he explained that the two of them could work to clean up the sport and set an example for others. If this was the case, a better chance of fostering an agreement could have resulted.

So here you have 4 different scenarios which can produce so many outcomes. Therefore, someone who says that avoiding something is an admission of guilt does not understand the psychological influences of the human response that these scenarios produce and the sometimes expected and sometimes unexpected outcomes. Some people have sworn they would never take a lie detector test to prove their innocence because they felt no one should ever dare to accuse them.....and then eventually took the test and passed. In a nutshell, that sums it up.

But the prima donna in both men I believe got the best of them and maybe a combination of the way Floyd presented it as a request or demand and the way Pac responded in a childish way, combusted and both sides floundered in one negotiation after another and the fallout occurred till years later when both sides decided to just get the fight done. Probably easier to work with each other than constantly hearing disapproval from the public. Like two little kids, they figured out a way to play with each other because it was in their best interest.

You're a smart guy, that's why I wrote all this....I know you would understand it all.

I definitely get it, but having to contend with a huge ego is not uncommon..... that is part-and-parcel for pretty much every big fight.

I just highly doubt that it would kill a super-fight, especially not under the shadow of drug testing..... not a good look.

In fact I'm sure it's not the reason.

Pac agreed to additional blood testing, the issue was the cut off date.

The difference came down to 10 days..... Pac wanted 24, but Mayweather would only give him 14.

And there is no such thing as a cut-off date for Olympic Style Testing.

Those 10 days weren't just a sticking-point, they were a brick wall.

And Team Pacquiao did not provide 1 genuine reason..... they supplied about 8-9 different silly excuses...... which also, aint a good look.

I'm not sure whats up, like you say, it's history.

[richardt]

And Team Pacquiao did not provide 1 genuine reason..... they supplied about 8-9 different silly excuses...... which also, aint a good look.

Your comment here is what I have believed for some time now because making a bunch of silly excuses is immature and ties to what I believe is a child-like response that Pac had initially that snowballed. It is similar to when a person lies and continues to lie to cover up a lie, it snowballs and in Pac's case, one childish response begets another one and another one which then makes it look silly. But I just don't see either Pac or Mayweather as being emotionally mature as they should be for their age. That's just my take.

[Tomjas]

I'd like to believe that the majority of posters criticizing the actions of Wilder and his team are trolls as the alternative reflects really badly upon them.

Fact is that meldonium showed up in a drug test and it doesnt matter whether it was a nanogram or a kilogram, it's illegal and Wilder was well within his rights to go home

Furthermore, Wilder's team (to the best of my knowledge) is not claiming their purse - asking the bank not to release it to Ryabinsky is simply a safeguard and a precursor to potential legal action

Can you imagine trying to get any potential damages from the Russians otherwise? No chance

Lastly, banks dont just hand out money because you asked for it.

They will keep hold of it until the end of time unless they are authorized to release it.

[firstborn]

How do you know that Wilder's team didn't ask or demand that the WBC call the fight off? If his team would write a letter to the bank asking the bank not to return the promoter's money after Wilder cancelled the fight, they will do anything.

There is no way in hell the WBC would CANCEL the fight and miss out on their three percent cut! This was Wilder and his team's decision!!!!

From what I've read the WBC made the call to cancel/postpone the fight....why do you blame Wilder?

I think it was a good idea for Wilder's team to ask the bank to freeze the fight purse. Should make it easier for his team to receive payment for the training and traveling expenses he's owed.

[ИATAS]

From what I've read the WBC made the call to cancel/postpone the fight....why do you blame Wilder?

I think it was a good idea for Wilder's team to ask the bank to freeze the fight purse. Should make it easier for his team to receive payment for the training and traveling expenses he's owed.

The money from a purse bid goes into escrow does it not? I would imagine this is something the WBC manages. The WBC has postponed the fight until further investigation. I assume no one can touch that money until the WBC says so.