Understanding weight. 154, 155, 157....

[Suckmedry]

There's no problem with it if you don't have a belt.

Once you have a belt you need to defend it at the stated weight or you're holding everyone else back.

Canelo is an extreme case though. He's invented a new form of catchweight. Usually a catchweight is an agreement between two fighters in different divisions to meet half way.

Canelo has ****d that concept and just decided the lightest weight he can cut to is a new weight division. Whether you're his middleweight mandatory or a skinny welterweight, you will fight at the arbitrary division he invented. Period.

I think for the first time in my life I've become more interested in MMA than boxing. 175/200/HW are all fun but everything below that in boxing is a total joke. Zero suspense. Everything takes 8 years to sign, then when it finally happens the "A-side" details unravel and it's pretty obvious one guy has a 90% chance of winning to the point that even if it isn't fixed, it might as well be.

Pretty much sums up how I'm feeling

[low blows]

When you torture your body to get to your fight weight, having someone ask you to take off more is not typically welcomed.
Likewise, when you are able to make weight for a certain weight class and someone asks you to give up several lbs, it plays against your strengths.

People act ignorant like it only works one way, but will flounder depending which fighter they are defending. If we're looking for the truth, it's a negotiation strategy that does affect the fighters and there's merits to both angles.

Not, if you have a belt in a certain class and start making your own weight stipulations, that's another issue entirely.

Smallish fighters can drop the weight and look great at a catch weight like Terry Norris against Taylor or Hopkins vs Pavlik. But when a guy is killing himself to make weight the drop can be a disaster like Dawson against Ward. Dawson's career has been a tail spin since the weight cut.

[SthPaw]

There's no problem with it if you don't have a belt.

Once you have a belt you need to defend it at the stated weight or you're holding everyone else back.

Canelo is an extreme case though. He's invented a new form of catchweight. Usually a catchweight is an agreement between two fighters in different divisions to meet half way.

Canelo has ****d that concept and just decided the lightest weight he can cut to is a new weight division. Whether you're his middleweight mandatory or a skinny welterweight, you will fight at the arbitrary division he invented. Period.

I think for the first time in my life I've become more interested in MMA than boxing. 175/200/HW are all fun but everything below that in boxing is a total joke. Zero suspense. Everything takes 8 years to sign, then when it finally happens the "A-side" details unravel and it's pretty obvious one guy has a 90% chance of winning to the point that even if it isn't fixed, it might as well be.

Sums it up perfectly. I can't believe there are still some people on here that can not see this/dont see what is wrong.

[i'm a fun haver]

Sums it up perfectly. I can't believe there are still some people on here that can not see this/dont see what is wrong.

That and the people who talk like the fight is a voluntary.
There is 1 thing Canelo can do to make it all go away but then he wouldn't be able to pretend he's MW champ lol

[Lester Tutor]

If we're looking for the truth, it's a negotiation strategy that does affect the fighters and there's merits to both angles.

Agreed 100%. In GBP case it's definitely a negotiation strategy. K2 may have had light running Klitschko before Lil'G, but GBP and Top Rank imo don'T see K2 at the same level, and that being revenue and profits. Therefore, when rumors state that Nelo gets 90% and Lil'G 10% with rumors it's highly possible that was the real scenario for any Alvarez vs Lil'G soon. In other words, GBP is not giving Loeffler any head way to act like K2 has the right to be close to A side territory, and unfortunately with Lil'Gs case, the WBA elevation status to Champion has was merit for World Class circumstances? The defenses alone have been criticized and most people seem to forget they are defenses from a promoted to WBA champ.

Only Oscar and Bhop have the clear vision on how to proceed with revenue and profits. They are literally the mafia kings of boxing, and they easily come off as intimidating for any serious discussion considering their legendary circumstances. It's not like Loeffler or others can dictate to Oscar or Bhop. hell no. Loeffler can only respect their demands..

Now regarding the weights. I give the Canelo the pass for Khan. I think Khan needs the catchweight regardless. I think Canelo is now ready to transition from the non-title 155 bouts up until Cotto. After Khan. I EXPECT Alvarez to finally fight at the 160 limit. The whole ''makes up his own class'' is just girl gossip people don't even know what they are talking about. People seem to forget that Garcia did somewhat of the same thing before 147.

Lastly, if we could all agree on common sense and ***ing honesty, the fact that Lil'G wanted to fight Floyd at 154 - his words - or saying that 154-168 is easy LITERALLY came back to bite him with all his fans finding every excuse to defend his reasons. Pusssie talk man. I hate it.

It's clear and cut. If Lil'G can do it, then I'd expect him to have some acknowledgement of his previous words and not be a pusssie himself saying that he only fights at 160. geeeez..

Fact is Lil'G can't beat Alvarez at 155. Looking forward for Alvarez to beat Lil'G at 160 too because when that happens everybody here will start to fear for Lil'Gs 0 and stock value

[M Bison]

Canelo is a coward for his actions nothing can excuse it, you fight the champions of your division and you fight the guys people want you to fight you're funded by the guys who go to watch you.

It's about time frauds like Canelo get their comeuppance.

[Lester Tutor]

Canelo is a coward for his actions nothing can excuse it, you fight the champions of your division and you fight the guys people want you to fight you're funded by the guys who go to watch you.

It's about time frauds like Canelo get their comeuppance.

The best part is Lil'Gs first 160 title bout.... = 0! 6+ years

Alvarez' first title 160 title bout and Lineal.... = 1! couple months ago..

ouch..

[M Bison]

The best part is Lil'Gs first 160 title bout.... = 0! 6+ years

Alvarez' first title 160 title bout and Lineal.... = 1! couple months ago..

ouch..

You mean he paid for a title shot, so that counts?
Okay doke then, I think the sheer fact Cotto didn't want to fight GGG on ANY terms and that now Canelo doesn't either it speaks volumes about how great GGG really is.

[Lester Tutor]

You mean he paid for a title shot, so that counts?
Okay doke then, I think the sheer fact Cotto didn't want to fight GGG on ANY terms and that now Canelo doesn't either it speaks volumes about how great GGG really is.

Yeah we heard it all before. Pac should've fought Floyd in 2010. 6+ years everybody agrees Top Rank failed with it.

Therefore, people will still say that Lil'G never came to Alvarez's demands if supposedly 154-168 was easy! All on tape forever!

But don'T worry, the voluntary defense to make Money off Khan will end soon entitled to a new title or lineal holder is justified. The mandatory everyone is crying about is yet to come or be announced.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Why is it such a big deal? I mean, it's only 5 pounds from 155 to 160. (Using Canelo/golovkin as an example) why is everybody so up in arms about a few pounds and what is the importance of it?

Your body has a weight it's "comfortable" at. But there's also a weight you perform best at. Then there's the lowest "safe" weight for your physique. Usually they are not the same.

My "comfortable" weight is around 175, but I know my peak performance is going to be around 170-ish. I could likely go as low as 160, but any lower and I'd start risking health.

In boxing, when these guys take these fights it's because of the money. They think they can make these weights no problem, and usually do, but then don't perform at peak.