Canelo fans, can you explain why he won't fight Golovkin?

[Triple Genius]

Golovkin is chasing after Canelo because he, like every other fight 154-168, understands that Canelo is the money fight of the weight class and he, above else, wants at least one massive payday (if he earnestly "just wanted the belt", he could've gotten the belt over a year ago, after Cotto fought Martinez and showed no interest in making the fight).

Beyond that, Golovkin, if he really wanted the fight, would already have the fight with Alvarez at 155lbs.

Hopkins went to 156 for Oscar, Floyd went to 154 for Oscar, Canelo went to 152 for Floyd, Paul Williams went up to friggin 160 for Martinez, etc.

Golovkin is unwilling to give up a single pound to make the biggest fight of his career and you call that "trying to take a risk"?

GGG and Canelo are in the same weight class. He doesn't need to give up a single pound for a belt that has a specific weight limit. Those guys gave up weight to even the odds. They were in different weight classes. Giving weight up to Canelo makes no sense other than Canelo re-hydrates more weight.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

Golovkin is chasing after Canelo because he, like every other fight 154-168, understands that Canelo is the money fight of the weight class and he, above else, wants at least one massive payday (if he earnestly "just wanted the belt", he could've gotten the belt over a year ago, after Cotto fought Martinez and showed no interest in making the fight).

Beyond that, Golovkin, if he really wanted the fight, would already have the fight with Alvarez at 155lbs.

Hopkins went to 156 for Oscar, Floyd went to 154 for Oscar, Canelo went to 152 for Floyd, Paul Williams went up to friggin 160 for Martinez, etc.

Golovkin is unwilling to give up a single pound to make the biggest fight of his career and you call that "trying to take a risk"?

Great Post!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Death_Adder]

Canelo has never said he wasn't going to face Duck.

The only people that ever got shook, were Duck vs Ward, Mayweather vs Duck and Mayweather vs 2008-2011 Pacquiao.

[Irony123]

Fight Erislandy Lara, instead of wasting everyone's time with Willie Monroe Jr.

Agree to fight Andre Ward, when the offer actually came forward.

Mention guys like Daniel Jacobs and Peter Quillin by name, rather than chasing welterweights.

Fight literally anyone at 168lbs (the weight where nearly every top amateur 165 fighter has ended up competing at, before typically moving on at some point)

Golovkin and his camp have never seemed to even consider putting Golovkin into a situation where he was even taking a 'kinda' risk in a fight; to try and play 'woe is me' on his behalf is silly.

Floyd Mayweather Jr was 17-0 when he went after 130lb king Genaro Hernandez. Saul Alvarez, against the advise of basically everyone in his circle, fought Erislandy Lara and Austin Trout because those were the fights that he wanted. Oscar De La Hoya, after basically capping out as a solid 154lber (starting off the championship run at 130), gambled at fighting at 160lbs. Bernard Hopkins, after spending his entire career at 160lbs, went up 15 pounds to fight Antonio Tarver.

In instance after instance, most fighters reached a point where the outcome wasn't always guaranteed, but they were willing to take that leap.

Golovkin doesn't even feign interest in trying; he knows that his age is getting up there, so he's looking for at least one big cashout before risking anything.

So Lara is a challenge? the guy who struggles beating quality opposition at 154 is the guy you want him to fight? Lets not get started about the Ward offer. The fight wouldn't have even happened by this point yet... and surprisingly came in after the Lemiux fight was signed and GGG was mandatory for the Cotto vs. Canelo winner. Some how this contract was genuine but when Ward declined a fight vs. GGG in 2013 none of you imbeciles bring that up because it doesn't support your argument ... so please spare me the he should have agreed to fight ward... 3 tune ups in the future at 50/50.

Oscar moved up to 160 to give fame to bernard... nothing more nothing else he was on his way out he came in and lost his fight to Sturm really badly... got a home cooked decision so he can face Bernard... good for him. lets applaud this attempt to achieve greatness.

Bernard hopkins (great fighter in his own right) lost his middleweight tiles and couldn't win them from Taylor then decided to move up. Was he chasing greatness or he couldn't cut it at middleweight anymore and moved up to fight Tarver? who by the way was never that good and his claim to fame was a one punch knockout of Roy Jones who pretty much came back from heavyweight and was never the same...

Anyways we can go all day about this ****. you can say something and claim that your favorite fighters did this because they "dare to be great" but unfixing a division is really not the impressive even though it is literally something that might happen once every 10 years if not longer...

i'll conclude your idiocy and double standard with one final paragraph. You praise Canelo for beating fighters in his own division... fighters that frankly are good but fairly standard like Lara and trout... then you go on criticizing GGG for beating similar caliber fighters in his own division (i.e. top 5) then you go on defending Canelo by saying he shouldn't fight GGG because there are bigger fights on the horizon even though they are in the same weight division and GGG is his mandatory. Then you go on criticizing GGG for not fighting Lara who doesn't even fight at MW and criticize him for not fighting Ward who is one division above... you dare GGG to be great but excuse Canelo from fighting his mandatory because GGG didn't dare to be great and move up. Does that make any sense? no it doesn't and it shouldn't because that entire paragraph... even though its true and is exactly what you are doing sounds completely ******ed.

[-Kev-]

He just beat Cotto

The same exact behavior was shown from crazy ass fans in favor another KO artist Matthysse. When DSG beat Morales for the second time, and DSG chose to fight Judah. Fans went nuts with the DSG ducking crap. With Canelo it's way worse cause he just got the 160 title and fans are on him a lot worse about it than they were on DSG.

Canelo is taking a gimme fight versus a name opponent, then he'll probably fight GGG. Relax, he just got the damn title.

[jcj0427]

The interest in Golovkin, as a standalone entity, is nowhere near as high as I think you believe it to be. The fact that Golovkin-Lemieux did maybe 100k PPV buys (or the fact that K2, after "selling out" The Forum for Golovkin-Monroe, was unwilling to scale the full building for Golovkin's return to the venue) let's you know that Golovkin doesn't yet have an audience that will back him with their dollars (euros).

Alvarez-Khan, for a 20k-seat venue in Las Vegas, is being priced $1,500/$1,200/$1,000/$800/$600/$400/$250/$150, and will likely end up moving the vast majority of those tickets come fight night (Brits coming over, Mexican/Latin fans supporting their guy, gamblers and their trophies, "big fight celebs", etc).

I doubt that hardly any Golovkin fan will lay out that type of scratch for a fighter that they really don't know is even the goods yet.

Khan brings a lot of the UK market yes, but do you think that fight will bring in more money then a Canelo-GGG fight? Your crazy. Golovkin vs Lemieux was a flop because it was his first PPV against an unknown opponent. Canelos first time headlining a PPV brought in 325k buys because he is mexican and he had already fought Mayweather. Golovkin, a fighter from Kazakhastan, had to solely depend on his ring skills to draw in 150k buyers.

GGG-Canelo is a money fight for Canelo no matter how you look it. The risk for Canelo is not that hes not gonna get paid, thats bulls***. Its that hes gonna get his ass handed to him and his stock is gonna go down.

[jcj0427]

He just beat Cotto

The same exact behavior was shown from crazy ass fans in favor another KO artist Matthysse. When DSG beat Morales for the second time, and DSG chose to fight Judah. Fans went nuts with the DSG ducking crap. With Canelo it's way worse cause he just got the 160 title and fans are on him a lot worse about it than they were on DSG.

Canelo is taking a gimme fight versus a name opponent, then he'll probably fight GGG. Relax, he just got the damn title.

If he was to say the right things to the media, we would all relax. To say he doesnt even consider GGG has earned his shot is blasphemy. He's in over his head. Will let him slip with this bulls*** Khan fight but if he keeps avoiding GGG to fight blown up welterweights then he has to be held accounted for.

[Mitchell Kane]

Hopkins went to 156 for Oscar

DLH wasn't the champ, he was a junior middlweight coming up after a loss in Mosley rematch who coudln't beat Felix Sturm.

[Mitchell Kane]

Hopkins went to 156 for Oscar, Floyd went to 154 for Oscar, Canelo went to 152 for Floyd, Paul Williams went up to friggin 160 for Martinez, etc.

These are one fight examples.

How many of those fighters tried to create their own weight divisions?

(And then gain 15 pounds after the weigh-in?)

[ruedboy]

Golovkin will be handed another belt, and Alvarez will continue to look to make the best fights/attractions possible at 155, until he physically feels like he's ready to move to 160.

You're probably right, but if Alvarez does give up the MW title, I think he'll lose the respect of his Mexican fans. So maybe that will pressure him to sign for the Golovkin fight.