At age 34 Bernard Hopkins had a record of 35-2-1 1 NC

[j0zef]

DeGale is Froch leftovers? Really?? Give me a detailed analysis of the Froch vs. DeGale fight. I would love to hear it. And you wonder why I try to avoid convos with Golovkin fans outside of a few.

Just move on dude. You thought my post was insulting towards Golovkin so you got angry. That's all this is about.

If you're going to make a thread about B-Hop not going up to 168, the thread cannot be credible without listing his options at that weight class.

Granted sometimes it's dangerous to do a fight flow chart so to speak, Groves outboxed DeGale and was cobraed twice. To me that's enough to comfortably say that DeGale is froch leftovers.

You insulted me in every post, admitted to being hostile for basically no reason.. And I'm the angry one?

I'm moving on, but you need to chill with whatever you're going through.

[lolpz]

What had Hopkins done at light heavyweight at age 34?

At age 34 hopkins only had 1 belt and was still at middleweight what are you talking about?

go re-read my post and do your research please.

[-PBP-]

Granted sometimes it's dangerous to do a fight flow chart so to speak, Groves outboxed DeGale and was cobraed twice. To me that's enough to comfortably say that DeGale is froch leftovers.

You insulted me in every post, admitted to being hostile for basically no reason.. And I'm the angry one?

I'm moving on, but you need to chill with whatever you're going through.

Terrible cover up. First of all, the Groves vs DeGale fight was controversial. Many thought DeGale won.

Second, how a triangle theory, create a leftover? So Erislandy Lara is Mayweather leftovers

Holy ****! Just admit your mistake. Don't Big Javi yourself. (Javi still my dude tho)

[j0zef]

Terrible cover up. First of all, the Groves vs DeGale fight was controversial. Many thought DeGale won.

Second, how a triangle theory, create a leftover? So Erislandy Lara is Mayweather leftovers

Holy ****! Just admit your mistake. Don't Big Javi yourself. (Javi still my dude tho)

Uh.. Reread the first paragraph of what you're quoting.

And drop the lols. Leave that to ******s like Shadow.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Compare a guy with little amateur experience and started boxing late and was in jail for many years to a guy whos been boxing his whole life, has an extensive amateur record and a silver medal in the olympics lmao.

Hopkins was 34-2 and lost his first pro fight, the only other fight he lost was to rjj. Hopkins then went on to go up 2 weight divisions and upset all the top light heavyweights when he had no following and nobody has his back or cheered him on, nobody really cared for him really. If we're gonna talk about who he fought at middleweight he must have done something right collecting all the belts and defending them over and over again.

Compare that to GGG who constantly calls out people in weight divisions under him, had numerous opportunities to move up to 168 and fight the best available guy there in Ward, and unlike Hopkins definitely won't be willing to chase him up to 175. Says he'll fight Froch at 172, definitely wouldn't fight Kovalev or Ward at 172 though. Willing to go up to 168 and light heavyweight to fight everyone except the best in those divisions. While Hopkins moved up and fought the very best in that division. Want me to keep going? Would fight mayweather at 154 and weighs in 164 30 days and 162 2 weeks before his fight, but won't fight Canelo who's moving up at 155. This is the same guy being hyped and followed by everyone and ranked number two pound for pound.

I've never in my life seen someone ranked number 2 pound for pound and hasn't fought a top 3 guy in his division yet lmao. What the ****?

Its clear that you don't get the point of this thread. Would you have been saying, in 1999, that Hopkins should move up, or were you fine with him staying a middleweight until he became undisputed champion?

[-PBP-]

Uh.. Reread the first paragraph of what you're quoting.

And drop the lols. Leave that to ******s like Shadow.

You used a triangle theory to cover up the fact that you don't follow boxing that closely. Or maybe it was just an honest mistake/brain fart.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But under no circumstance or triangle theory is DeGale a "leftover" of Carl Froch. You should use BoxRec before making such outlandish statements.

[j0zef]

You used a triangle theory to cover up the fact that you don't follow boxing that closely. Or maybe it was just an honest mistake/brain fart.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But under no circumstance or triangle theory is DeGale a "leftover" of Carl Froch. You should use BoxRec before making such outlandish statements.

Nope, not a mistake, cover up or brainfart. I've admitted a thousand mistakes before, including on here. This is just a forum. I don't know any of you nor give a crap about any of you.

What would boxrec prove? I've seen all 3 fights in their entirety on YT. Groves outboxed DeGale then got schooled by Froch twice - and Froch was on the downside of his career. DeGale was not a kid, and he has good amateur background.

Like I said, making these boxing flowcharts is in fact, dangerous. But to ME, I saw enough to say that Degale would have been schooled by Froch.

You disagree? Cool.

[-PBP-]

Nope, not a mistake, cover up or brainfart. I've admitted a thousand mistakes before, including on here. This is just a forum. I don't know any of you nor give a crap about any of you.

What would boxrec prove? I've seen all 3 fights in their entirety on YT. Groves outboxed DeGale then got schooled by Froch twice - and Froch was on the downside of his career. DeGale was not a kid, and he has good amateur background.

Like I said, making these boxing flowcharts is in fact, dangerous. But to ME, I saw enough to say that Degale would have been schooled by Froch.

You disagree? Cool.

Jozef and his flowcharts.

[Caught Square]

Nope, not a mistake, cover up or brainfart. I've admitted a thousand mistakes before, including on here. This is just a forum. I don't know any of you nor give a crap about any of you.

What would boxrec prove? I've seen all 3 fights in their entirety on YT. Groves outboxed DeGale then got schooled by Froch twice - and Froch was on the downside of his career. DeGale was not a kid, and he has good amateur background.

Like I said, making these boxing flowcharts is in fact, dangerous. But to ME, I saw enough to say that Degale would have been schooled by Froch.

You disagree? Cool.

In the first fight Groves knocked him down and was ahead on all cards and the victim of a early stoppage, 2nd fight was close and then he got knocked out cold. How the hell is that being schooled twice?

[Jsmooth9876]

True, he didn't get love until smaller Trinidad moved up and got beat down.

But....he had also fought Taylor,Dawson,pavlik,tarver and many others...

GGG career is not over, he has time to build a legacy the same as BHOP...he gets these belts in the next year or so then he needs to move up or hope he gets a huge name to move up to him for a mega fight ..