At age 34 Bernard Hopkins had a record of 35-2-1 1 NC

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Looking at that list and looking at todays SMW and the arguement can be made Hopkins did the same thing. SMW is decent at best today, sure theres match up i would like to see GGG in at SMW but theres also interesting matchups for Hopkins one divison up at the time aswell.

I agree 80%. Only differemce is there were no Ward or Froch caliber opponents that would have excited me about B-Hop moving up in 1997. Later on you had the Jones rematch but B-Hop priced himself out.

[j0zef]

Ok. So you're starting to get it.

I'm 'starting to get it'? You accused me of not understanding what you were saying, and I quoted your own post back at you. YOU started to get it, not me.

Now tell me where I said 168 was a strong division currently?

When you said that Ramirez (kid) and DeGale (Froch leftovers) are intriguing fights. They're no more intriguing than BHop choices in 97.

This thread is asking whether we would ask Hopkins to move up in 1997. I gave my reason why I wouldn't.

Right. You agreed with Leon but said he 'failed to put things in perspective', which he didn't fail to do.

I quoted you to say that the same situation currently applies to Golovkin, since the thread was about the pressure Golovkin gets to move up.

With respect to Golovkin, I explained that there are a few fights at 168 that would've intrigued me over the past couple years:

Ward- who is no longer at the weight anymore
Froch - retired
DeGale - which is a damn good fight
Ramirez - which looks to be a nice option on Deck

Ward = they tried, failed for many reasons, Ward moved to 175. Cool.
Froch = they tried, he retired.
DeGale/Ramirez = meh fights at best.

Golovkin is being pressured to move up NOW. The first 2 choices are no longer there, and the last 2 we apparently disagree on. In either case, moving up for 2 mediocre fights is silly.

But you, being a sensitive obsessed Golovkin fan, took this as me, insulting the love of your life by saying that 168 is a strong division that he is avoiding.

Sensitive? I mentioned Golovkin's name exactly one time in this thread (before this post). What the hell are you talking about?

'Love of my life'? Are you 15 or something? You started this **** by attacking me, and you're still continuing even though I tried to be civil with you. Go make yourself a manhattan or something.

And that's why I'm being hostile. You mistook me for listing 4 SMWs that I would like to see GGG fight as stating that 168 is a strong division.

You're being hostile because you thought [incorrectly] that I misunderstood you? How do you get through life if no one is allowed to misunderstand you?

[lolpz]

Compare a guy with little amateur experience and started boxing late and was in jail for many years to a guy whos been boxing his whole life, has an extensive amateur record and a silver medal in the olympics lmao.

Hopkins was 34-2 and lost his first pro fight, the only other fight he lost was to rjj. Hopkins then went on to go up 2 weight divisions and upset all the top light heavyweights when he had no following and nobody has his back or cheered him on, nobody really cared for him really. If we're gonna talk about who he fought at middleweight he must have done something right collecting all the belts and defending them over and over again.

Compare that to GGG who constantly calls out people in weight divisions under him, had numerous opportunities to move up to 168 and fight the best available guy there in Ward, and unlike Hopkins definitely won't be willing to chase him up to 175. Says he'll fight Froch at 172, definitely wouldn't fight Kovalev or Ward at 172 though. Willing to go up to 168 and light heavyweight to fight everyone except the best in those divisions. While Hopkins moved up and fought the very best in that division. Want me to keep going? Would fight mayweather at 154 and weighs in 164 30 days and 162 2 weeks before his fight, but won't fight Canelo who's moving up at 155. This is the same guy being hyped and followed by everyone and ranked number two pound for pound.

I've never in my life seen someone ranked number 2 pound for pound and hasn't fought a top 3 guy in his division yet lmao. What the ****?

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I'm 'starting to get it'? You accused me of not understanding what you were saying, and I quoted your own post back at you. YOU started to get it, not me.

When you said that Ramirez (kid) and DeGale (Froch leftovers) are intriguing fights. They're no more intriguing than BHop choices in 97.

Right. You agreed with Leon but said he 'failed to put things in perspective', which he didn't fail to do.

I quoted you to say that the same situation currently applies to Golovkin, since the thread was about the pressure Golovkin gets to move up.

Ward = they tried, failed for many reasons, Ward moved to 175. Cool.
Froch = they tried, he retired.
DeGale/Ramirez = meh fights at best.

Golovkin is being pressured to move up NOW. The first 2 choices are no longer there, and the last 2 we apparently disagree on. In either case, moving up for 2 mediocre fights is silly.

Sensitive? I mentioned Golovkin's name exactly one time in this thread (before this post). What the hell are you talking about?

'Love of my life'? Are you 15 or something? You started this **** by attacking me, and you're still continuing even though I tried to be civil with you. Go make yourself a manhattan or something.

You're being hostile because you thought [incorrectly] that I misunderstood you? How do you get through life if no one is allowed to misunderstand you?

DeGale is Froch leftovers? Really?? Give me a detailed analysis of the Froch vs. DeGale fight. I would love to hear it. And you wonder why I try to avoid convos with Golovkin fans outside of a few.

Just move on dude. You thought my post was insulting towards Golovkin so you got angry. That's all this is about.

If you're going to make a thread about B-Hop not going up to 168, the thread cannot be credible without listing his options at that weight class.

[Mitchell Kane]

Hopkins was 34-2 and lost his first pro fight, the only other fight he lost was to rjj. Hopkins then went up 2 weight divisions

Yeah, just skip over the Jermain Taylor fights.

[lolpz]

Yeah, just skip over the Jermain Taylor fights.

He was talking about at age 34? By the time he fought taylor he was 46-2.

And by that time he had knocked out Glen Johnson when he was undefeated, John David Jackson, Trinidad, and decisioned Joppy. Then knocked out De La Hoya.

Right after those losses to Taylor he beat Tarver, Winky Wright, got robbed against Calzaghe, handed highly regarded Pavlik his first loss.

Why does it take me having to break down Hopkin's resume just to prove how ******ed this thread is? Why the **** doesn't the person who made the thread simply do his research instead of making me have to expose their ignorance and ******ity?

Sad part is I really like GGG, but instead of being a ******ed fanboy I look at the facts and the fact is GGG has not fought anybody to warrant a spot in the top 3 p4p list let alone top 2. If basing on talent alone I could place him there, but then what's stopping me from placing Ward at number 1 and rigo above ggg if we're going just off talent? Makes no sense. Ward has the talent and resume but you have a guy like GGG somehow ranked above him. But fine Ward has been off for a long time cool, but to have GGG above a guy like Kovalev who's fought all the top guys in his division except for the idiot who ran to showtime to duck him. Makes no sense to me, im sorry. Kovalev is just as skilled if not more skilled than GGG and knocks everyone the **** out too, just like him. I don't get it.

[M Bison]

His best win was Glen Johnson, who went on to lose 20 more times. lol. He had fought Robert Allen and Segundo Mercado twice, and the biggest name he fought was Roy Jones.

That middleweight era was rather thin, so my question is this. If he was doing this today, would you have pressured him to move up? Or would you support him in his goal to be undisputed middleweight champion?

He stayed fighting as a middleweight til he was 40.

Classic case of nostalgia nothing more and nothing less the same people to bash GGG are the same people who think James Toney is immaculate but they turn blind eyes to many of his gifts he has had an awful performances.

Fair is fair, right?

[M Bison]

That said with the comparison to GGG and Bhops record both at the same age I sure do hope GGG can carry on as strong as Hopkins did to atleast his early 40's.

[Mitchell Kane]

He was talking about at age 34? By the time he fought taylor he was 46-2.

What had Hopkins done at light heavyweight at age 34?

[boliodogs]

His best win was Glen Johnson, who went on to lose 20 more times. lol. He had fought Robert Allen and Segundo Mercado twice, and the biggest name he fought was Roy Jones.

That middleweight era was rather thin, so my question is this. If he was doing this today, would you have pressured him to move up? Or would you support him in his goal to be undisputed middleweight champion?

He stayed fighting as a middleweight til he was 40.

Some fans today seem to think all good fighters should move up out of their natural weight class again and again until they move up one time too many and get beat.I think if a boxer takes on all the best fighters his own size and beat them all that is a great accomplishment and all that should be asked of him. He shouldn't move up in weight to fight men naturally bigger than himself. That's not brave, it's just ******. The only intelligent reason for a fighter to move up in weight is if they can no longer make the weight they are fighting and be strong and at their best. I think Hopkins is great. I would think he was just as great if he had retired at age 40 and never fought Tarver. I don't believe the 40+ Hopkins who beat Tarver was as good as the much younger Hopkins who beat Trinidad. No boxer should have to fight above their best weight to prove their greatness. Hagler,Monzon,Pryor and others never move up in weight and are recognized as great fighters.