So do #1 and #2 now reverse?

[ShoulderRoll]

Do you have a source?

I don't, just going off memory from last month's episode of The Fight Game I think.

But there's a replay of this month's episode coming up in a few hours. I'll watch it and get back to you.

[Tom Cruise]

How about we all stop being fanboys like Lampley and admit that p4p #1 is basically vacant right now?

Nobody has really separated themselves from the pack. If you put a gun to my head I would say Chocolatito because he's demolished top fighters in different weight classes.

I pretty much feel this way.

The guys with good/great resumes are either past prime, or not performing well recently (Manny, Wlad, Bradley, Ward etc) and the guys looking great in the ring havent got great resumes (Kovalev, GGG, Gonzalez, Lomachenko, bunch of WW's etc)

IMO Chocolatito has enough of both traits to be rightfully considered no.1. But a few wins from some of the others and he could find himself dropping very quickly.

[Real King Kong]

I don't have either as 1 and 2.

If anything those are reserved for Ward and Kovalev.

It's just a pfp list top spot isn't gonna be vacant until a fighter you like has an argument for it.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

so you know them and are just hating on purpose? i proved you are wrong and now you come back with the old look at his record instead of looking at his accomplishments argument. yea he's 23-5 and a 3 division champ, he was also linear champ when roman beat him and you pretended it wasn't a worthy win. thats just hating. of course he could have fought this guy or that guy but i dont see how viloria is a bum? how is arroyo a bum when most had him beating ruenroeng, a guy you want roman to fight. they also offered the fight to estrada and he said he wasn't ready so please inform yourself. inoui said he wasn't ready as well and the fight is being looked at for the future.

Im not hating on anyone, just saying facts... You are cherry picking your conclusions... "lineal" champ,,, you trash floyd for beating baldomir or lennox when he beats briggs, or calzaghe being 2 division lineal champ, just because you don't like their styles, yet roman beats run of the mill lineal guy, and you act like its better than rigo beating donaire.. You are showing a clear double standard..

My whole point is that guys like yaegashi, and francisco aren't anywhere near elite and are 2nd tier guys, much like how ghost, ortiz, berto, devon, pauli, etc are at welter

Is beating francisco and yeagashi better than beating donaire and agebako???
or beating vargas, ruslan, marquez..
or beating trout, lara, cotto
or beating maidana twice and manny
or beating bradley twice, rios, algieri
or beating hopkins, pascal twice
or beating froch, dawson, abraham, kessler, bika

When you are talking p4p top 5, all the guys have great resumes, and i see no justification for roman's being considered superior to guys like ward, rigo, bradley, manny, etc... Roman deserves his p4p ranking, but he isn't clearly ahead of the other p4p guys.

If roman gonna be #1 he needs to score some victories like estrada 2, nietas, ioka, ruengrang, inoiu, etc.. Get one or 2 of those victories..

[Szef]

KOAVELEV ALWAYS BEEN #1

who ahead of kovalev? no one lol. no one gives a **** a about some Columbian with a vitamin d deficiency or a damn 40 year old beating up bums.

[thecomedian2]

No, because GGG just beat a nobody.... Arroyo beat the IBF champion on the champ´s hometurf and was robbed.. Arroyo a world class amateur that has won gold.

[Tom Cruise]

Is beating francisco and yeagashi better than beating donaire and agebako???
or beating vargas, ruslan, marquez..
or beating trout, lara, cotto
or beating maidana twice and manny
or beating bradley twice, rios, algieri
or beating hopkins, pascal twice
or beating froch, dawson, abraham, kessler, bika
.

How are you listing guys like Rios, Algieri, 50year old Hopkins, Bika etc and not mentioning guys like Viloria, Arroyo, Niida, Fuentes, Takayama etc for Roman?

They are solid wins whether you want to admit it or not.

[buddyguns]

so you know them and are just hating on purpose? i proved you are wrong and now you come back with the old look at his record instead of looking at his accomplishments argument. yea he's 23-5 and a 3 division champ, he was also linear champ when roman beat him and you pretended it wasn't a worthy win. thats just hating. of course he could have fought this guy or that guy but i dont see how viloria is a bum? how is arroyo a bum when most had him beating ruenroeng, a guy you want roman to fight. they also offered the fight to estrada and he said he wasn't ready so please inform yourself. inoui said he wasn't ready as well and the fight is being looked at for the future.

Gonzalez has also tried fighting Ioka on several occasions. Ioka's team has ran from that fight. it's also funny that somehow Chocolatito's win over Estrada is negated in many minds because the rematch is wanted so bad.

Chocolatito will more than likely fight Cuadras to close out the year, and it will be funny to watch people try to **** on that win as well.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

How are you listing guys like Rios, Algieri, 50year old Hopkins, Bika etc and not mentioning guys like Viloria, Arroyo, Niida, Fuentes, Takayama etc for Roman?

They are solid wins whether you want to admit it or not.

I was talking about more recent wins,,, and yes takayama and niida are excellent wins, but that was so long ago, and the same guys that give props to that win, discredit wards super six win even though it was much more recent..
Those wins are why i think roman should be on a p4p list..

Viloria, Fuentes are has-beens.. arroyo is nothing special, he just is a tough kid with a big heart but clearly isn't close to elite...

Im just calling out the double standard of some posters on here that rip ward, rigo, etc for not having any recent big fights/wins yet roman is exactly the same, but since he stays active fighting guys with no chance, and has an exciting style, he gets hyped up as p4p#1..

Roman's last true top level win was vs estrada and that was around the time that ward beat dawson. Since then he has fought a steady diet of 2nd tier guys...

[Tom Cruise]

I was talking about more recent wins,,, and yes takayama and niida are excellent wins, but that was so long ago, and the same guys that give props to that win, discredit wards super six win even though it was much more recent..
Those wins are why i think roman should be on a p4p list..

Viloria, Fuentes are has-beens.. arroyo is nothing special, he just is a tough kid with a big heart but clearly isn't close to elite...

Im just calling out the double standard of some posters on here that rip ward, rigo, etc for not having any recent big fights/wins yet roman is exactly the same, but since he stays active fighting guys with no chance, and has an exciting style, he gets hyped up as p4p#1..

Roman's last true top level win was vs estrada and that was around the time that ward beat dawson. Since then he has fought a steady diet of 2nd tier guys...

I think its reasonable to not hold Wards super 6 wins in as high regard due to the extended lay off he had. As of right now we dont really know if he is the same fighter who beat those guys.

Gonzalez has a steady stream of decent opponents (and very good performances) since his best wins, so we know that he is still the same fighter.

If Ward had stayed active against decent opposition since the S6 he would be clear no.1 in a post Floyd world. He didnt, so he isnt. Until he puts himself back in the big time.