Comments Thread For: Golovkin on Canelo: Show Me Who's Number 1, Who's The Best

[Bronx2245]

Yes but Wade is fighting at 160 just like any middleweight.

Khan isn't, Canelo isn't, Trout isn't, Lara isn't.

Wade has 18 fight as a pro but has the record along with ODLH of silver gloves won in the US amateur.
I'm not sure about Kahn being a better opponent for a 160 title shot, dude is big, that's the middleweights.
Remember Oscar vs Sturm who was a nobody.

See post # 50. I hope you understand. Pay close attention to the "Non-murderous Row!"

[HeroBando]

April 20, 2016:

If Golovkin and Alvarez win as expected, the WBC has mandated that Alvarez defend its title in a unification showdown with Golovkin. It would be one of two fights that the public most wants to see, the other being the pairing of IBF/WBA/WBO light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev (29-0-1, 26 KOs) with former WBA and WBC super middleweight ruler Andre Ward (29-0, 15 KOs). But Alvarez has demanded that opponents seeking his title agree to meet him at a catch weight of 155 pounds, which would give the former WBC and WBA super welterweight ruler an advantage to which Golovkin, a full-fledged middleweight, and his team might be disinclined to consent.

“He is after the unification of all the (middleweight) belts,” said Sanchez in explaining why his fighter is obligated to fulfill his IBF mandatory against a relative unknown like Wade. “So if he doesn’t fight this fight, he’s going to lose that belt.”

Wade as a fill-in-the-blank kind of challenger to Golovkin is hardly a new development. This is Golovkin’s 16th title defense, but to date his reign has been devoid of anyone capable of forcing him to dig deep inside himself to find that something extra that elevates a fighter from very good to indisputably great. How’s this for a non-Murderer’s Row of the vanquished? Nilson Julio Tapia, Kassim Ouma, Lajuan Simon, Makota Fuchigami, Grzegorz Proksa, Gabriel Rosado, Nobuhiro Ishida, Matthew Macklin, Curtis Stevens, Osumanu Adama, Daniel Geale, Marco Antonio Rubio, Martin Murray, Willie Monroe Jr. and David Lemieux, good fighters all but hardly candidates for eventual enshrinement in the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

Golovkin might have the right stuff to join the list of immortals to which Sanchez referred, but even if he meets and defeats Alvarez – and any such meeting is hardly a certainty, given the details that figure to be included in the contractual fine print – the potential list of plums to be picked mostly consists of low-hanging fruit. Would a unification fight against the WBO champ, England’s Billy Joe Saunders (23-0, 12 KOs) fire the public’s imagination? What about a date with the WBA’s “regular” titlist, Daniel Jacobs (31-1, 28 KOs)? Or former WBO ruler Andy Lee (34-3, 24 KOs), of Ireland? All would be pronounced underdogs against “GGG,” Alvarez somewhat less so.

It thus falls to fight fans to imagine how Golovkin might fare against the sort of legends who, unfortunately for him, came along at a time when their careers and his did not intersect. It thus is difficult to place Golovkin on the lofty plateau reserved for Harry Greb, Stanley Ketchel, Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins when your career boils down to too many Alabama-vs.-Charleston Southern routs.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...-his-supremacy

Enjoy the GGG vs. Dominic Wade fight! Have a "good" weekend. I'm going to have a "great" weekend.

Why are you posting this? It's not Ggg that's blocking the Canelo fight. How many times do his people need to tell you dummy: some day, down the line

[Bronx2245]

Why are you posting this? It's not Ggg that's blocking the Canelo fight. How many times do his people need to tell you dummy: some day, down the line

Oh well! Then what's next? Another fighter from the "Non-Muderous Row" I guess. I guess they all can't have the balls like B-Hop!

[BillyBoxing]

I hear you, and I could see it playing out that way as well. But I think it's a 99% fantasy-fight at this point. And if GGG did just go in and bully Floyd to pieces it would also just solidify the idea of it being kind a garbage match up. 147 I felt was always a pretty big weight for Floyd. All of Floyd's 154 fights were somewhat disingenuous since he never came in the ring much over 151-152 lbs. I think Floyd's true ceiling is right there at 147. If GGG drained down to 154 I think Floyd could make it look like the Canelo fight.

I could see GGG ending his career at 168. I think he is probably a bit small for light heavyweight though? Unless he fights the right guy at 175 who also isn't the biggest LHW around.

He looks like the same size as Canelo to me. That's a big part of what drives me crazy. Canelo may even have the bigger frame.

Obviously GGG vs Floyd isn't a fair fight size wise.
But GGG vs Canelo at 160 is.

Floyd in shape comes in the ring at 152 while Canelo tends to be 170 according to HBO.

Even 168 won't be easy for GGG as guys are at least 6 footers.

Just look at the 2004 olympic final that GGG lost on youtube that Russian was 6.1 and spoiled GGG's game.
Now, this russian guy was really good, also lost by 2 points the olympic title in 2000.
GGG beat Andre Direll in the semi final by close decision.

GGG was amateur world champ 2003, beat Lee, Korobov and Bute by KO in the tournament.

[Bronx2245]

April 21, 2016:

Golovkin's success is undeniable. At this point, a fight against him would likely be the biggest possible bout for any star in boxing. But as boxing historian Patrick Connor points out, that doesn't mean it's a fight that works well for prospective opponents, particularly those who can earn big purses without him.

"Financially it doesn't make sense to risk a probable serious ass-kicking without a huge payday attached," Connor said. "Why potentially end the gravy train for a fighter like Canelo who can make millions fighting anyone? Would a Golovkin fight bring significantly more money in? More than likely it would. But would it be enough for rival promoters to risk their fighter losing badly or being knocked out...

The clock, as it does for all professional athletes, is very much ticking. While Golovkin reminds many of Manny Pacquiao, with his sweet smile doing much to close tremendous cultural gaps, there is one distinction. Pacquiao burst onto the American scene at the tender age of 22.

Golovkin, who didn't appear on American television until he was 30, is already 34. Although the shelf life for top boxers has expanded somewhat in the last generation, it's an age traditionally associated with declining athletic performance. He doesn't have time for a Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao lengthy negotiation between each bout.

The time, if it's coming, is now.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ings-boogeyman

[HeroBando]

April 21, 2016:

Golovkin's success is undeniable. At this point, a fight against him would likely be the biggest possible bout for any star in boxing. But as boxing historian Patrick Connor points out, that doesn't mean it's a fight that works well for prospective opponents, particularly those who can earn big purses without him.

"Financially it doesn't make sense to risk a probable serious ass-kicking without a huge payday attached," Connor said. "Why potentially end the gravy train for a fighter like Canelo who can make millions fighting anyone? Would a Golovkin fight bring significantly more money in? More than likely it would. But would it be enough for rival promoters to risk their fighter losing badly or being knocked out...

The clock, as it does for all professional athletes, is very much ticking. While Golovkin reminds many of Manny Pacquiao, with his sweet smile doing much to close tremendous cultural gaps, there is one distinction. Pacquiao burst onto the American scene at the tender age of 22.

Golovkin, who didn't appear on American television until he was 30, is already 34. Although the shelf life for top boxers has expanded somewhat in the last generation, it's an age traditionally associated with declining athletic performance. He doesn't have time for a Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao lengthy negotiation between each bout.

The time, if it's coming, is now.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ings-boogeyman

Lol at this guy quoting bleacher report blogs. Shouldn't you be pleading for a MW unification at 155, wind-up?

[bigboxerABC]

Why is GGG begging Canelo to fight him? GGG can fight Lara if he really wants to prove how good he is, but he may be exposed by Lara the same was Canelo was.
I'm so sick of these GGG articles that talk about how he is the most avoided fighter in the game ... he is the most avoided fighter that does not want to fight Ward or Lara.

[HeroBando]

Oh well! Then what's next? Another fighter from the "Non-Muderous Row" I guess. I guess they all can't have the balls like B-Hop!

Great example there, a naturally bigger MW who didn't move up till 40, after scoring big wins over blown up welters

[BillyBoxing]

See post # 50. I hope you understand. Pay close attention to the "Non-murderous Row!"

Of course I do Bronx.

I would LOVE to see Gennady fight Lara, Alvarez, Trout or the Charlo IBF champ.

Would be good fights.

But he doesn't have to go down to 154 in order to do that.

GGG has done 14 defenses and YES very few notables names to make an ATG case.

Hopkins was kinda in that position until he unified with Holmes, Trinidad and DLH.

I hope GGG will get those fights soon.

[Dr Rumack]

Also add what weight to the list of questions.. Btw, Canelo has a rematch clause as expected with Khan, so if Canelo loses or if it's one heck of a the fight though we'd we damned if it will be the case, they might fight again.. So 2017, or may be 2018 if Canelo vacates it for GGG

Golovkin's confident he can make 160 until the day he retires. If Canelo wants to avoid him he'll have to avoid him for the rest of his career.