Comments Thread For: Is Gennady Golovkin's Future Only Now Emerging?

[Scipio2009]

I'm sure Jacobs wants to be as far from GGG as possible. He doesn't want to get Piroged again.

But yea... GGG is scared from Jacobs. Sure, buddy!

Jacobs is a man, minted as a star in the 20k-seat venue in his literal hometown; if you honestly think that Jacobs has any kind of punk in him, you played yourself.

Golovkin is more than happy to go on national TV and fight a guy who'd never fought above 152lbs in his life, yet openly refuses to acknowledge the other middleweight champion who's starpower is based in New York? lol.

[soul_survivor]

Good piece and quite accurate in some regards. GGG effectively wiped away the previous portion of the division, which consisted of Macklin, Murray, Geale and Lemeuix. You can add a couple other fringe names to that list.

Now, we'll see if Canelo has the balls to do what Cotto admitted he would not. Then there's every chance the Charlos will likely move up (still barely contenders themselves but highly skilled), Andrade, Lara (much spoken of but never does anything) and ultimately the Brits in Saunders and Eubank. If 2-3 of these fights happens over the next year or so, there's not much more GGG can do at mw and probably in his career.

There will obviously be talk of moving up but the only two marketable names in that division have yet to set the world on fire (Groves did for a bit) and up and comers like Ramirez have a way to go yet.

GGG just happens to be an exceptional fighter in a mediocre division.

[just the facts]

Like GGG, Hagler had already beaten several top contenders. The difference here is Marvin was 29 while Golovkin is 34. People can talk about sports science all they want, but the fact is Gennady's best physical years are behind him. If he wants to be remembered with the greats he needs to get a move on. He certainly appears to be the goods, but unless he gets a highly regarded fighter on his resume he can never be considered an ATG. And if he loses say 2 years from now people will just say he was past it. I'm sure he would fight almost anyone and it's his team and not himself that are avoiding a historical quest to chase dollar signs instead.

Who invited rational thought into a g string thread? Good post

[Scipio2009]

After beating Quillin Jacobs didn't even utter ggg' name.

K2 says they've approached Jacobs, and they hope that fight can happen, but Jacobs doesn't want it now.

It's easy to see why, Jacobs is just starting to get his name back. GGG would make him look like Lemieux.



He said he wanted 6 million like Quillin, that's not fair money.

Fair money is within what the fight can make, while also giving the bigger purse to the real champ.

Jacobs, like Quillin, and Suanders, have priced themselves out by asking for way more than the fact will make.



Has GGG been offered a MW fight at 158. B-hop got his that way.

But difference was, B-hop was actually fighting smaller guys. De la Hoya had a MW fight, but he stepped into ring much smaller than b-hop. Same with Trinidad.

Canelo is a MW easy, there is zero reason or need for the CW except for the weaker Canelo to try to take some power away from the stronger GGG.

CW should be used when a JRMW fights a MW, or SMW.

When two MW champs who both step in the ring around 170 something, Canelo a tad bit more than GGG, no CW is needed.

K2 also said that they offered Billy Joe Saunders world changing money, only to go quiet when BJS went public with the reality that they'd only offered him $1.4m for the fight.

Brooklyn's son (Jacobs) vs MSG's next star (Golovkin) in New York, is a bigger fight than anything else that K2 could likely find for Golovkin, sans maybe a Canelo fight. If K2 actually contacted Jacobs, someone would've said something about it.

[OnePunch]

Jacobs is a man, minted as a star in the 20k-seat venue in his literal hometown; if you honestly think that Jacobs has any kind of punk in him, you played yourself.

Golovkin is more than happy to go on national TV and fight a guy who'd never fought above 152lbs in his life, yet openly refuses to acknowledge the other middleweight champion who's starpower is based in New York? lol.

except they only did 8,000+, including comps, even with an all-NY undercard......

[Pigeons]

Im surprised an idiot like you even has time to post. One would think it would take all your time up red k'ing everyone you disagree with.

chump

red k these nuts

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to OnePunch again.

[Scipio2009]

except they only did 8,000+, including comps, even with an all-NY undercard......

Barclays Center has hitched their wagon/support to Daniel Jacobs; diss the numbers however you want, Jacobs-Quillin was the first time that Jacobs was actually headlining a show, in New York or anywhere, the fight was a dynamite fight (for the little stretch that it did last) and the native Brooklyn son won the fight.

Jacobs' next fight will likely be at the Barclays Center in NYC, it will be the main event of that show, and the attendance numbers will go up, almost regardless of who he fights.

[Eff Pandas]

Golovkin could've fought a guy like Lara or N'Dam (rugged guys who, though not likely to help him sell many tickets, would actually build Golovkin's rep) and made himself a more marketable option (and easier fr the other names to avoid). Outside of the HBO hype machine, the boxing public can't really push Golovkin as "the next big thing" because no one knows how good Golovkin actually is.

Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, after starting to really get the hype behind him, set about taking the tough fights needed to undergird the resume of a superstar fighter. Alvarez was supposed to fight Paul Williams(accident) and Victor Cruz(quit when Josesito wrecked his face), before he was finally able to step in with Austin Trout. You look at the ledger, and you would've given any 154 fighter the chance to be a star.

Golovkin needs to put some kind of steak to his sizzle.

Don't disagree with any of this really although idk about N'Dam doing that much for him, but thats a minor point. I think some of the problem is I'm not sure K2 is great at their job. I mean they didn't seem to be even be able to do a great job with the heavyweight champion of the world who got shipped off to Germany to make his money midstream.

Or perhaps its just a tough job. GBP pushing a Mexican in a sport heavily influenced by Mexicans is a whole lot easier than K2 trying to push a Ukrainian in the US where its hard to build a superstar from a non-Americas destination (respect to TR for Manny). GGG doesn't command the money that Canelo has. Money = options in real life & boxing. GBP had much more to offer good opponents for Canelo than K2 is able to offer for GGG. I mean just look at the figures.

Outside of GGG's one PPV fight he's splitting 1.5M with opponents these days. Canelo was splitting 2.5M with his opponents 2+ years ago to attract better opponents. And I don't say this to say it can't be done or say "poor GGG", I'm just saying there is a higher degree of difficulty with trying to build a foreign guy in the US via better opponents vs a Mexican guy in a sport thats heavily influenced by Mexican fans. My assumption would be if GGG was a US or Mexican fighter he's command higher purses & he'd had gotten some of these half dozen or so fights that could have helped build him up more than he's been able to thus far.

[_Maxi]

Jacobs is a man, minted as a star in the 20k-seat venue in his literal hometown; if you honestly think that Jacobs has any kind of punk in him, you played yourself.

Golovkin is more than happy to go on national TV and fight a guy who'd never fought above 152lbs in his life, yet openly refuses to acknowledge the other middleweight champion who's starpower is based in New York? lol.

Who's the man that never fought above 152lbs in his life? Mayweather? his fight night weight at LMW is probably around 160.

[Scipio2009]

Don't disagree with any of this really although idk about N'Dam doing that much for him, but thats a minor point. I think some of the problem is I'm not sure K2 is great at their job. I mean they didn't seem to be even be able to do a great job with the heavyweight champion of the world who got shipped off to Germany to make his money midstream.

Or perhaps its just a tough job. GBP pushing a Mexican in a sport heavily influenced by Mexicans is a whole lot easier than K2 trying to push a Ukrainian in the US where its hard to build a superstar from a non-Americas destination (respect to TR for Manny). GGG doesn't command the money that Canelo has. Money = options in real life & boxing. GBP had much more to offer good opponents for Canelo than K2 is able to offer for GGG. I mean just look at the figures.

Outside of GGG's one PPV fight he's splitting 1.5M with opponents these days. Canelo was splitting 2.5M with his opponents 2+ years ago to attract better opponents. And I don't say this to say it can't be done or say "poor GGG", I'm just saying there is a higher degree of difficulty with trying to build a foreign guy in the US via better opponents vs a Mexican guy in a sport thats heavily influenced by Mexican fans. My assumption would be if GGG was a US or Mexican fighter he's command higher purses & he'd had gotten some of these half dozen or so fights that could have helped build him up more than he's been able to thus far.

You've got to spend money to make money, in essence; if Golovkin's only looking at an allotment of $1.5m per fight, K2 needs to let Golovkin's management understand that and act accordingly. If that means taking short money for a fight, do so and understand why he's making the sacrifice now.

The Andre Ward fight likely was never a fight that Golovkin/K2 actually considered, but why didn't Golovkin push for the fight against Erislandy Lara (or at least a formal offer for the fight to Lara)? HBO is backing Golovkin, some in the boxing press are already staunchly backing Golovkin, and in Lara, Golovkin would be fighting a guy that the boxing world openly acknowledges can fight. Even if it took Golovkin only taking $800k(plus the German TV), the short money now would be more then made up for with the ability to sell Golovkin as a guy who beat a legit guy going forward. If Gennady Golovkin is as good as K2 wants people to believe that he is, you lay the bet on Golovkin's talent (no different that Dan Goossen, after spending 4 years bringing Andre Ward along, believing in Ward's talent enough that he was willing to put him in with Edison Miranda, before putting him in Mikkel Kessler).

If Golovkin was an American or Mexican fighter, the boxing public wouldn't have let him be a professional for five years before even stepping into fighting the "faded/fading former world champion fighting away from prime weight" level.

Whether he would've gotten to the point that HBO was willing to commit guaranteed TV money behind him, we would've known how good actually is well before today.