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  • aboutfkntime
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    #81
    Originally posted by Progrssive_Jedi
    WBC has given k2 a written contract. They've publicaly said Canelo can't force his mandatory to come in lighter than 160-but they'd sanction a CW if birth agree.

    WBC is not going to risk another big time lawsuit for failing to abide by their own rules.

    They could elevate Canelo to emeritus, but they'd do serious damage to their brand. They won't do it.

    They just gave to agree to fight. I doubt k2 will care, but September and December would be too close.

    Then Canelo shouldn't of kept the title he knew GGG had not only been waiting years for, but he was mandatory for. This idea Canelo deserves to defend it before GGG fight ignores the fact GGG should have the title. He put in the work, beat MW and is the true champ.

    By taking the Cotto fight, and keeping the WBC title, Canelo knew he'd have to fight GGG. Fans want it.

    GGG won and defended his titles at 160.

    Why should Canelo get a shot at 3 MW (160) titles at one pound above JRMW.

    If Canelo were to beat GGG at 155, he will have almost unified the entire MW division at a CW one pound above JRMW.

    That's a disgrace.

    Floyd-fights in ring at 155-160 if you believe those who think he's heavier than he says. Coming to 154 to meet Floyd is GGG making it fair.

    Canelo walks in ring 175 (174 versus Angulo). GGG comes in at max 172. There is no comparison, Canelo is too heavy to give up that weight too for a three MW titles.

    No it doesn't. He walks into the ring heavier than most MW. It's not GGG fault Canelo didn't use his voluntary to test himself against a real MW.

    Simple, because they gave GGG a contract stating they will follow rules. K2 could force them to lose huge lawsuit. They lost a 30 million lawsuit when they screwed another fighter out of a title. He won because of list income.

    WBC has stated publicaly that their rules don't stop CW, but a champion can't force a challenger to come under and use the refusal to keep title.

    K2 knows Canelo can't force him. Will GGG agree to 157-158, maybe. But not 155.

    The lineal title means little when guys like Canelo gave them. That's part of the reason he's disrespecting the sport.

    Kovalev doesn't have the LHW lineal title, but no one thinks the guy who has it deserves it. It really just becomes a joke becaus you can regulate it.

    Cotto and Canelo disgraced the titles. Canelo can be lineal for five years, no one will think he deserved it.

    No they didn't. The only thing they did odd was let GGG become mandatory by beating Rubio, because GGG was a champion for another sanctioning body.

    WBC has said they wanted to give GGG the opportunity because the top MW were clearly ducking him.

    They didn't do anything shady like change the status of a mandatory. They just let GGG fight for it.

    And they passed it by the rules body. The rules body already agreed to the K2/GBP/WBC contract they gave k2.

    They posted it online too. K2 has a very strong legal case if WBC pulls anything. And it wouldn't be first time they got bludgeoned in the courts playing with fighter's paper.




    Didn't read, but I feel dumber just by replying to that post.

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    • aboutfkntime
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      #82
      Originally posted by kafkod
      If Golovkin won't agree to a catchweight and Canelo won't fight him without a catchweight, Canelo cannot keep the belt.

      The WBC won't strip him for "trying to negotiate" a catchweight, but they will strip him if he refuses to fight without one. If they didn't, the damages they would have to pay when K2 took them to court for breach of a legally binding business contract with millions of $ riding on it would send the WBC into bankruptcy.

      The contract they gave Golovkin states that the fight will take place at the sanctioned weight limit of 160lbs, the same as any other MW title fight. A catchweight agreement is just that - an agreement, between BOTH fighters, which the WBC has no part in.

      No agreement, no catchweight. No fight without a catchweight, no WBC title for Canelo. That's the way it works.

      No they didn't. The only thing they did odd was let GGG become mandatory by beating Rubio, because GGG was a champion for another sanctioning body.

      WBC has said they wanted to give GGG the opportunity because the top MW were clearly ducking him.

      They didn't do anything shady like change the status of a mandatory. They just let GGG fight for it.

      And they passed it by the rules body. The rules body already agreed to the K2/GBP/WBC contract they gave k2.

      They posted it online too. K2 has a very strong legal case if WBC pulls anything. [B]And it wouldn't be first time they got bludgeoned in the courts playing with fighter's paper.

      In 2003 the WBC were ordered by a court to pay Graciano Rocchigiani $31million damages after they broke a contract with him by withdrawing their sanction from a fight which was contracted to be for their LHW title.

      Rocchigiani accepted a lesser amount, paid into his bank account immediately, after the WBC told him they couldn't pay the 31million and would have to wind up and go into bankruptcy.

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      will you guys be having an "elevation" party after the trial

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      • BattlingNelson
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        #83
        Originally posted by aboutfkntime



        Didn't read, but I feel dumber just by replying to that post.


        I thought that was impossible for you to be any dumber.

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        • bojangles1987
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          #84
          It should be next you fraud.

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          • Dolor
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            #85
            Originally posted by JrRod
            It's ridiculous comments like this that make boxers and promoters not give a damn about what hardcore fans want. I mean why would they?

            Canelo didn't have the balls to fight Austin Trout, then he did.
            He didn't have the balls to fight Lara, then he did.
            He fought Mayweather and Cotto, but he's a coward an a fraud according this is guy?
            The main difference is that against the guys you mentioned (who just had a ~50% KO ratio, and/or were clearly physically smaller), there was practically NO risk of getting KOed.

            A loss per se is not that bad, and does not ruin a career - but a KO loss can ruin a career. An that is exactely why Canelo will not fight GGG, at least not at 160, because at that weight, there is a good chance of getting KOed (whereas at 155, GGG may not have the same level of power).

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            • Buckfever
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              #86
              I understand it from both sides. Martinez ducked him, Cotto ducked him and now Canelo is going to duck him. He's not going to offer him a catch weight, he's going to drop the belt. I understand GGG's frustration but why should Canelo accept a beat down loss at this point in his career? How is that in Canelo's interests?

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              • elgu
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                #87
                Originally posted by JrRod
                It's ridiculous comments like this that make boxers and promoters not give a damn about what hardcore fans want. I mean why would they?

                Canelo didn't have the balls to fight Austin Trout, then he did.
                He didn't have the balls to fight Lara, then he did.
                He fought Mayweather and Cotto, but he's a coward an a fraud according this is guy?
                All those guys were smaller than him and didn't represent a career ending beating. Canelo is smarter than you think, he's certainly smarter than you. He knows who to get in the ring with.

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                • aboutfkntime
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by BattlingNelson


                  I thought that was impossible for you to be any dumber.

                  Yea, boxing doesn't attract the brightest minds does it.

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                  • aboutfkntime
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by elgu
                    All those guys were smaller than him and didn't represent a career ending beating. Canelo is smarter than you think, he's certainly smarter than you. He knows who to get in the ring with.

                    And so the fk does Golovkin LMAO.

                    That is why he will fight lil old feather-fisted Floyd at 154, and yet he doesn't want anything to do with the young stud Canelo at 155.

                    Come on guys, it's pretty obvious.

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                    • _Maxi
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by JrRod
                      I mean I know people want GGG to be next.
                      So do I. But they're negotiating the fight. The fact Oscar is saying later, later, only means he's using negotiating tactics to get what he wants from the GGG fight. The split, the weight, the venue, gloves, ring size, everything.
                      And every fighter who has ever been the A side does this.

                      I mean how long did Cotto make Canelo wait? How long did Chavez Jr. make Martinez wait? Pacquiao made Marquez wait, etc. etc.

                      It is not like Canelo is saying he's not fighting GGG. As I said they're still in the negotiating process. We might end up getting it in September.
                      Yes but that attitude proves that canelo is overrated and that he relies on weight advantage to win a fight. He is a lie. He cant face a real MW, then drop the belt because he is not at the level of a MW champion.

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