Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: Until Canelo Decides, It's Hard To Speculate

[kafkod]

do you EVER run out of excuses??? I mean you even have excuses on how AWESOME you think this GGG vs. Wade fight is going to be.

Not true. I just keep reminding everybody that GGG didn't pick Wade as an opponent. He was ordered to fight him this year by the IBF or be stripped of his title.

Why the fuck do you ****s keep ignoring that simple fact?

And that's a rhetorical question, btw. I know why you keep ignoring it. It's for the same reason you ignored the fact that Sullivan Barrera was ranked lower than Ward by every independant ratings org when you were giving Andre Ward so much repect for fighting him:

BIAS AND HYPOCRISY.

[kafkod]

There are so many holes in this theory.

Let's start with it's great to hear that GGG could never have fought Mayweather at 154 in the first place. A guy who walks around at/around 160 at the age of 34 would kill himself to make 155.

Keep digging your hole bud

So isn't that just what I was saying? Except that Golovkin walks around a lot heavier than 160.

And Andre Ward would never have fought Floyd at 160 either, he just said that he would for the same reason GGG talked about Floyd ... publicity.

So how come you haven't mention Andre calling out Floyd at 160 then refusing to fight GGG at 164 about a 100 times too?

[Bronx2245]

Oscar wasn't rehydrating from 154lbs heavier than Hopkins from 160lbs.

The whole point of dropping down in weight is to make a more even fight. But Canelo rehydrates higher than Golovkin as is. Canelo chooses to fight at 155lbs so that he can fight smaller men and then come in at 175lbs.

It's easier for a 25 year old to cut weight and then rehydrate 20lbs than it is for a 34 year old. That's what Canelo wants.


But it's all speculation right now as Canelo has not made any official offer to Golovkin, and Golovkin hasn't officially turned anything down.

I know what Canelo is doing, and the truth is Canelo should not be the MW champ because he didn't beat the MW champ. Whose fault is that? Not Canelo! (Didn't Canelo lose his SMW title to Mayweather in a catch-weight title fight?) The point I'm trying to make is Bernard Hopkins came in @ 156 AT AGE 39! Was that fair? You're talking about a 34 yr. old can't make 155, but GGG said he could make 154 for Mayweather just 2 weeks ago. Politics aside, accept the challenge and be great like B-Hop, or never put your name in the same sentence as Bernard Hopkins, Hagler, etc., EVER!

[Eastcoast]

I know what Canelo is doing, and the truth is Canelo should not be the MW champ because he didn't beat the MW champ. Whose fault is that? Not Canelo! (Didn't Canelo lose his SMW title to Mayweather in a catch-weight title fight?) The point I'm trying to make is Bernard Hopkins came in @ 156 AT AGE 39! Was that fair? You're talking about a 34 yr. old can't make 155, but GGG said he could make 154 for Mayweather just 2 weeks ago. Politics aside, accept the challenge and be great like B-Hop, or never put your name in the same sentence as Bernard Hopkins, Hagler, etc., EVER!

I actually think Golovkin would accept the fight at 155lbs in order to get it. His team saying otherwise is likely posturing for negotiations that have yet to officially begin. You don't give up all your ground up front. People forget Golovkin offered to fight Rosado at 158lbs when he had no need to do so. I think the hang-up will be on money. Oscar said they'd offer Golovkin a 90/10 split (<$3mill) for the fight which would be hard to swallow after they guaranteed the less marketable Khan $6mill.

Hopkins had been after Dela Hoya ever since the Trinidad fight, and offered to fight at 154lbs or 157lbs. Unlike Canelo, Oscar said they'd do it at 158lbs. And again, Hopkins was fighting a guy legitimately smaller than himself and doing it for a guaranteed +$10mill.

Oscar told Hopkins earlier this year in Miami – straight to his face – that he would like to challenge him for those middleweight titles. “Me and Oscar talked briefly in March,” revealed Hopkins. “I told him we could do it two ways. We could do it at (Oscar’s) weight for his belts, or we could do it for my belts at 157. He corrected me. And said, No, we’ll do it for your belts at 158.”

http://www.*************.com/headlin...derstood-2003/

[Bronx2245]

I actually think Golovkin would accept the fight at 155lbs in order to get it. His team saying otherwise is likely posturing for negotiations that have yet to officially begin. You don't give up all your ground up front. People forget Golovkin offered to fight Rosado at 158lbs when he had no need to do so. I think the hang-up will be on money. Oscar said they'd offer Golovkin a 90/10 split (<$3mill) for the fight which would be hard to swallow after they guaranteed the less marketable Khan $6mill.

Hopkins had been after Dela Hoya ever since the Trinidad fight, and offered to fight at 154lbs or 157lbs. Unlike Canelo, Oscar said they'd do it at 158lbs. And again, Hopkins was fighting a guy legitimately smaller than himself and doing it for a guaranteed +$10mill.


http://www.*************.com/headlin...derstood-2003/

It doesn't make a difference if Oscar was "legitimately" smaller or not. Oscar was a MW champion. He was not Bernard's mandatory. Oscar asked for a catch-weight of 157, even though he was fighting another MW champion. Bernard came in at 156 at age 39 tapped 'dat azz! He even did a backflip in the ring...at age 39! I think GGG can and should accept a catch-weight. He should do exactly what B-Hop did. Ironically Oscar and B-Hop are Canelo's promoter. If I'm K2, I accept the catch-weight, but make it 157, just like De La Hoya vs. Hopkins!

[HeroBando]

Didn't MW Champ, Oscar De La Hoya demand MW Champ Bernard Hopkins to drop 3lbs. at age 39? The difference is B-Hop glady took the fight, dropped down to 156, and then dropped Oscar!

Again Hop was not Oscars mando, nor was it lower division + 1. Unprecedented, as I said

[HeroBando]

It doesn't make a difference if Oscar was "legitimately" smaller or not. Oscar was a MW champion. He was not Bernard's mandatory. Oscar asked for a catch-weight of 157, even though he was fighting another MW champion. Bernard came in at 156 at age 39 tapped 'dat azz! He even did a backflip in the ring...at age 39! I think GGG can and should accept a catch-weight. He should do exactly what B-Hop did. Ironically Oscar and B-Hop are Canelo's promoter. If I'm K2, I accept the catch-weight, but make it 157, just like De La Hoya vs. Hopkins!

Again dummy, the much smaller guy wanted to fight Hopkins so demanded a reasonable CW. This other chump doesnt want to fight his mando at all so 155, 90/10, some day, down the line

[Bronx2245]

Again dummy, the much smaller guy wanted to fight Hopkins so demanded a reasonable CW. This other chump doesnt want to fight his mando at all so 155, 90/10, some day, down the line

Again dummy, Oscar was a MW champ, and he asked for a "much older" MW champion to accept the catch-weight! Not only did the older MW champ accept the challenge, he came in @ 156, and beat Oscar's azz! That's what champions do! If you're scared for GGG, that he might not be on the same level as B-Hop, then I understand! If you're scared, just say your scared!

[Chollo Vista]

It does when you factor in age.

It's no secret that younger fighters in their early to mid 20's can cut large amounts of weight and fully recover within 24 hours. Where an older fighter over 30 will struggle not only in cutting the weight, but rehydrating in that short of time.



At 25 years old, Canelo can still make that massive cut and still recover well come fight time. This time next year I highly doubt he's still fighting at 155lbs.

We see guys as they get older all the time unable to cut weight and have to move up. I remember when Canelo outgrew 147lbs, he had WW Matthew Hatton fight him at 150lbs. Then he missed weight at 154lbs vs Angulo and now has guys fighting him at 155lbs (even though he asked Cotto for 156lbs).

Do you think GGG would be weight drained at 155 pounds?

[Chollo Vista]

So isn't that just what I was saying? Except that Golovkin walks around a lot heavier than 160.

And Andre Ward would never have fought Floyd at 160 either, he just said that he would for the same reason GGG talked about Floyd ... publicity.

So how come you haven't mention Andre calling out Floyd at 160 then refusing to fight GGG at 164 about a 100 times too?

You've clearly forgot what this conversation stems from.

The whole point of this conversation is about legacy and challenges and not being afraid to place yourself at a disadvantage leading into a fight.

And Ward has a deep resume. Who's GGG's "Froch, Dawson, Abraham, Kessler, Rodriguez, Kovalev," equivalent? Adama, Monroe, Rubio and Ouma?

You can't place Ward in the same category of being afraid to place himself at a disadvantage and chase challenges because what do you think he's doing when he's agreed to face Kovalev in November?

Don't worry about bonifide greats. Your main concern should be with GGG and why he refuses to accept one fight in which he heads into the fight with a disadvantage.

Hagler, Hopkins, Napoles, Mayweather, Pac, RJJ, Wright, ect all did it. Why can't GGG do it once?