Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: Until Canelo Decides, It's Hard To Speculate

[Bronx2245]

You are missing the point, which is that Oscar was naturally significantly smaller than BHop, so Bernard could afford to go up against him at less than 100% strength and fitness - due to weighing in lighter than usual - and still be the stronger man on the night.

Canelo is naturally bigger than Golovkin. His 30 day and fight night weights all prove that without any doubt. He is also young enough to recover more rapidly from weight cutting than Golovkin. He's had a lot of practice doing it too, which obviously would be another big assist for him if Golovkin was dumb enough to accept the fight at 155. GGG is 34 and has never fought below 160 in his pro career.

I guess you're saying that GGG at 34, can't do what B-Hop did @ 39. I know just the other day (within the past week), Able Sanchez said they would go to 154 for Mayweather. Probably because Floyd is 39 too. Canelo money is not as much as Floyd money, but IT"S GOOD MONEY!!! If he doesn't take the challenge @ 155, GGG is a fraud! You can't let both Ward and Canelo slide from your grip! He might unify the titles, but he's definitely NOT on B-Hop's level. Add to that, he's (K2 says it's a good fight for GGG) considering fighting B-Hop @ 168! WTF???

[Eastcoast]

On the Ruckus podcast they reported that RN/Cotto agreed to pay GB/Alvarez the extra money for dropping the belt at the last minute. They also reported Cotto fired his lawyer Gabriel Peñagarícano over it.

Cotto's June show was canceled b/c it wouldn't be ppv. It sounds like after Khan, we'll get Canelo/Cotto II.

[Bronx2245]

Well said! At least their finally admitting Canelo is the A-Side. And it is up to Canelo. Question is how bad does GGG want the fight??? Does he want to PROVE he's great or is he content on fight cab drivers Canelo has PLENTY of options. He can fight the winner of Peterson/Thurman. Andrade. Either Charlo brother. Brook.ALL on PPV.

Who does GGG have left??? Jorge Heiland, Gran Turino?? Colonel Saunders???? None WORTHY of PPV

If Oscar can kiss and make up with Haymon (truth be told, he and Arum are doing business with Al), Canelo will have a line of fighters trying to get paid. Charlo Bros., J-Rock, Jacobs, Quillen, Erickson Lubin, Harrison, Khurtsidze (White Tyson), and of course Lara. That's not including non-Haymon cats like Andrade and Cotto. The future is bright for Canelo! GGG can wait on him to go to 160, but he might be waiting 2 years! Is that what he wants???

[Bronx2245]

Great is the **** you eat every night

How did your thoughts go from boxing to "eating ****s?" This just in....you are gay.

[Shadoww702]

Is the cut really 55/45? I can definitely see Canelo turning that down & getting knowledgeable boxing fans support for not accepting to that & therefore dropping the belt. Canelo is for sure the money guy in this fight & to split maybe $20M ($11M/$9M) + PPV money with GGG at those cuts is a horrible deal.

Anyone know how PPV money gets split when there is a purse bid? I'd assume its at the same cut (55/45 if that is indeed the correct cut which I tend to doubt), but have never heard that confirmed.

THERE INSANE if they think they're gonna get 55/45 split!!!!

What will happen is Loeffler can say will here's your belt SORRY I COST you your BIGGEST PAYDAY EVER!!! My BAD... You think Saunders would take $1.5 again but we'll tell the media the offer is $10 million this time?? That would REALLY make him look like a ducker.

And I would HOPE GGG would FIRE that RTARD on the SPOT.

[Shadoww702]

If Oscar can kiss and make up with Haymon (truth be told, he and Arum are doing business with Al), Canelo will have a line of fighters trying to get paid. Charlo Bros., J-Rock, Jacobs, Quillen, Erickson Lubin, Harrison, Khurtsidze (White Tyson), and of course Lara. That's not including non-Haymon cats like Andrade and Cotto. The future is bright for Canelo! GGG can wait on him to go to 160, but he might be waiting 2 years! Is that what he wants???

SHT!!!! Everyone from 140-168 would do FKN Backflips to fight Canelo. There's a BUNCH of MINI-Tournaments going on right now at 147 and 154. He could add his and Khan winner to the tournament mix...

Erislandy Lara vs. Vanes Martirosyan
Jermall Charlo vs. Austin Trout
Jermell Charlo vs. John Jackson

Keith Thurman vs. Shawn Porter

Throw in the usual rest and this is like printing $$$$.

And we ALL know GGG moving up to 168 is a PIPE DREAM! I'll see it when I see it.

Jacobs and Saunders both told CHEAP sss LYING POS Tom Loeffler to go *** himself. Who was just CAUGHT LYING his @ss of about that "Life Changing Money" offer to Saunders! That was some BS he pulled.


"That's correct,"confirmed Tom Loeffler, the managing director of K2 Promotions on Wednesday afternoon,"a unification fight would be our first priority, it would be our top priority and we made a significant offer to Frank Warren for that fight."

Loeffler stated,"Our offer was for BJ to fight in the U.S.''

[kafkod]

Is the cut really 55/45? I can definitely see Canelo turning that down & getting knowledgeable boxing fans support for not accepting to that & therefore dropping the belt. Canelo is for sure the money guy in this fight & to split maybe $20M ($11M/$9M) + PPV money with GGG at those cuts is a horrible deal.

Anyone know how PPV money gets split when there is a purse bid? I'd assume its at the same cut (55/45 if that is indeed the correct cut which I tend to doubt), but have never heard that confirmed.

If a fight between WBC champion and interim champion goes to a purse bid the split is definitely 55/45. I looked it up at the WBC website a while ago.

Whether the PPV money money would be split on the same basis is something I don't know. I guess that would depend on how the bids were structured.

If team GGG simply refused to negotiate with GBP and requested a purse bid instead, like Gym did with Stevenson/Kovalev, then I agree that knowledgable boxing fans would condemn them and say that Canelo deserved more than 55%. I would condemn K2 myself if they forced a purse bid deliberately

But I absolutely disagree that GGG would be blamed by knowledgable fans if a purse bid was called because of Canelo's ridiculous and unprecedented catchweight demand.

I've been involved in boxing for a long time and I have friends who are even more involved tham I am now. Not one person I have spoken to about GGG/Canelo, neither knowledgable or casual fans, is condemning GGG for turning down the catchweight.

Maybe in the US the situation is different. As you say, there are a lot of Mexican and Latino fans there who will side with Canelo because of ethnic loyalty, or whatever you want to call it. I've also read some very biased opinions about it in Oscar's monthly rag, formerly known as the Bible of Boxing, which probably influence US fans more than in other parts of the world.

[kafkod]

Your INSANE if you think they're gonna give GGG a 55/45 split. It will never go to a purse bid.

Of course they wouldn't give GGG 45%. Canelo would either vacate or be stripped for refusing to paticipate.

[Eff Pandas]

If a fight between WBC champion and interim champion goes to a purse bid the split is definitely 55/45. I looked it up at the WBC website a while ago.

If the fight doesn't get made pre-purse bid it ain't getting made I feel extremely confident in saying lol.

I think I figured out what goes down with the WBC if this fight doesn't happen & the WBC holds to their word. They'll strip Canelo's belt & award it to GGG. And then they will have Canelo & Cotto(?) fight for GGG's interim or regular or whatever lesser WBC belt he has now. GGG will hold his new belt. And Canelo will have a new belt in September. I'm a problem solver!!! Anyone agree or wanna tell me why that couldn't happen?

[BillyBoxing]

Very well pointed. Beating a mexican fighter at his own weight would make some big noise and the mexican fans would put pressure on Canelo to fight GGG. The question is how GGG would do at 168 against a big 168 pounder in terms of power, speed, stamina etc ?

GGG is a fundamentally sound fighter, an amateur world champion, olympian finalist.
+He had the power and chin to turn pro.

There is no way a fight against a guy like Ramirez will be competitive even if the guy is bigger.
Ramirez has an average defense and doesn't really fully uses his arm lenght, his size won't help him, GGG will walk through him.