Prime calzaghe literally bodybags this era of middles and supermiddles

[bluzi]

This is the point I'm making. B-Hop is not a knockout artist nor has he ever been. But he's cagey, he's intelligent. That's what beats Calzaghe. Ring intelligence and generalship.

As a result:



Danny Jacobs stopped Quillin, and nobody saw it coming. He knew what he had to do.

Eubank Jr. swarmed and nearly killed a dude in the ring. Just like his dad.

Canelo is arguably the most intelligent fighter of the current gen. Don't you dare say Chocolatito, the guy who went life or death with Cuadras.

Saunders, Lee and Cotto aren't as intelligent in the ring and they're not finishers. So no, I don't see them getting past the Slappy One.


Calzaghe is known for four main wins. Let's analyze.

B-Hop - almost didn't win that, in fact he shouldn't have

Roy Jones - you say he was in his prime. Despite already having been softened up by Tarver and Johnson. This dude was on the decline and you know it.

Jeff Lacy - This is his signature win. Never mind that Lacy was an overhyped bum that hadn't fought anybody, he just looked good.

Chris Eubank - One year before his getting retired. Yeah alright. Nevermind that Slappy One couldn't stop a way-over-washed-up Eubank.

In fact, he couldn't stop anyone worth noting despite them being over the hill or bums.


The only fight that stands out to me is Kessler. But again, who'd he beat? A weight drained Mundine?

Dude ... Kessler is SO MUCH better then Saunders/Lee/Eubank Jr its not even close what are you talking about ? you go ahead and be biased , Eubank almost killed a janitor i wouldn't brag about it.....
You clearly have mental issues comparing ATG to ****ing
Canelo which is the definition of a hype job is the most intelligent fighter of our gen , what are those statements based on?????
As with Floyd threads where people just bash every one of his victories to a point that they claim he is some C level fighter is beyond dumb , every fighter resume can be picked apart and of course Joe`s no different , but if you use your eyes and brain and you come to a conclusion that Jacobs takes him out or Canelo i really don't believe we can have a real discussion , sorry.

[robertzimmerman]

Dude ... Kessler is SO MUCH better then Saunders/Lee/Eubank Jr its not even close what are you talking about ? you go ahead and be biased , Eubank almost killed a janitor i wouldn't brag about it.....
You clearly have mental issues comparing ATG to ****ing
Canelo which is the definition of a hype job is the most intelligent fighter of our gen , what are those statements based on?????
As with Floyd threads where people just bash every one of his victories to a point that they claim he is some C level fighter is beyond dumb , every fighter resume can be picked apart and of course Joe`s no different , but if you use your eyes and brain and you come to a conclusion that Jacobs takes him out or Canelo i really don't believe we can have a real discussion , sorry.

Crazy isn't it.

I'd love to see the poll results for Joe vs Canelo.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Dude ... Kessler is SO MUCH better then Saunders/Lee/Eubank Jr its not even close what are you talking about ?

Kessler is a bum compared to Billy Joe Saunders in terms of resume. I'll give you Lee. Eubank is just more of a beast.

[robertzimmerman]

Kessler is a bum compared to Billy Joe Saunders in terms of resume. I'll give you Lee. Eubank is just more of a beast.

This is just straight up trolling.

[Combat Talk Radio]

This is just straight up trolling.

Again, I challenge you to name 4 fighters Kessler beat that are worth anything. Mundine does not count, he was weight drained.

I'll wait.

[KeyboardWarrior]

This is just straight up trolling.

Agreed. This is getting ludicrous.

[robertzimmerman]

Again, I challenge you to name 4 fighters Kessler beat that are worth anything. Mundine does not count, he was weight drained.

I'll wait.

GTFOH you clown.

It would be one thing if you'd said that in your opinion, Billy is more talented than Kessler, but to say he has a better resume?

I'm a huge fan of Billy's, but now you're just taking the pi$$.

Billy's biggest wins are: Eubank, O'Sullivan and Lee.

Kessler beat Carl Froch.

End of discussion.


I'm still awaiting your Canelo vs Calzaghe thread.


If you're not going to be serious, don't bother replying.

[robertzimmerman]

Agreed. This is getting ludicrous.

Yes.

This site needs cleansing.

[Combat Talk Radio]

GTFOH you clown.

It would be one thing if you'd said that in your opinion, Billy is more talented than Kessler, but to say he has a better resume?

I'm a huge fan of Billy's, but now you're just taking the pi$$.

Billy's biggest wins are: Eubank, O'Sullivan and Lee.

Kessler beat Carl Froch.

End of discussion.


I'm still awaiting your Canelo vs Calzaghe thread.


If you're not going to be serious, don't bother replying.

Let's talk facts.

- Mikkel Kessler beat Froch once, lost once in a fight that went almost identical to Broner/Porter, just with different winners. So I don't count that win.

- Billy Joe Saunders beat four undefeated guys in a row of the Top 10 for that division in the UK at the time, all four for titles that he never lost.

- Spike O'Sullivan was a true threat when Saunders faced him. A guy who had stopped or knocked out almost everyone in his face, yet Saunders made him look like an amateur over 12.

- Mikkel Kessler has a signature win against both Carl Froch (negated by a loss to the same) and Anthony Mundine, who was weight drained and barely able to get by anyone notable.

- Mikkel Kessler was getting handily outboxed by Andre Ward before the stoppage in the Super Six.

- Mikkel Kessler got outboxed by Joe Calslappy (although I felt the scores were a bit of a joke).


I ask you again. Outside of a negated Froch win and a less-than-impressive Mundine win, who'd Mikkel Kessler beat besides, as Nigel Benn would put, Mexican street sweepers?

I'm not saying BJS is some legend nor am I saying he would necessarily beat Kessler. I'm saying his resume is more impressive than Kessler. Period.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

There's not 1 guy out there at 160 or 168 even in the same class as the legend.

Canelo - he gets dropped and probably stopped around round 10
GGG - calzaghe walks him into right hands and wins a wide decision or cuts him up like a welsh blender
Cotto - he makes him quit on his stool
Degale - would be embarrassed easily and stopped in 6
Prince arthur - beaten like red headed step child and forced to retire for good
Ramirez - maybe makes it to the 3rd before Joe unloads on him and ends it

Yes, I don't think a smaller man coming up can give Joe a lot of problems. GGG would have the best shot at it I think.

I think he makes Arthur look very ordinary, which he is. DeGale would make things interesting I think. I can see that going the distance. Ramirez would probably get taken out in the middle rounds, especially if we're talking a Joe Calzaghe with healthy hands.