Al Haymon Hate

[R_Walken]

I guess largely because there hasn't been any serious competition. Showtime has been HBO's #1 competitor forever or at least til PBC has come into play & they've always felt like a distant #2 even when they had the Holyfield's, the Tyson's & the Mayweather's. And I think HBO's seen as the #1 network in boxing by boxing people & that keeps the best fighters with them. I mean go try to tell Kathy Duva she could probably get Kovalev more money on PBC than HBO. HBO damn near literally gots the top ten P4P list. I remember when they had $120M a year they didn't have as many P4P guys. That stuff means something even if GGG is fighting a guy on house arrest & Gonzalez is a -5000 favorite or whatever.



I still say if you throw a thread up on this forum & asked people what their favorite overall boxing entity of choice is between PBC & HBO, HBO would win. I think I'd be surprised if its even semi-close.




I did a thread awhile back going on about the influence PBC has already with top fighters

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=697951

I know what they got. I know whats coming. I just know its gonna take time & the quality of product isn't there yet. The got a couple guys who are close. They got some great talent that can be big in another 2+ years. I know the production is awkward. I know the schedule is all over the place & often infrequent despite 7 or whatever networks being involved in the PBC product. I know the overall PBC model lacks a public figurehead that can guide & influence things in the way that product needs. They just don't got enough guys who are THERE yet in popularity. The mere fact PBC came outta nowhere & gave HBO competition is a win by itself, but there are clearly not a superior product cuz there are just too few fights people care about. Even the FOTY fights PBC had don't get talked about all that much. And I believe the Free TV model is seen as an inferior form of programming after boxing fans have been watching premium cable + PPV for the best fights for the last generation or two.

I think we are just gonna agree to disagree about this, but like I said make a poll if you wish.

Yeah this is definitly going to be a case of agree to disagree

But I still got to have a bit of a rebuttal. First off who fu.cking cares what Duva thinks. Is HBO a better fit for the their 3-4 promotors that they have , all fighting over their available dates and budget yeah probably but Haymons taking the promoters out as being the most important cog in the equation and handing some of that power back to the fighters. I'm sure if you asked KOv if he had a chance to make more $ and be seen by more people he'd be all in. Main events signing Kiv to exclusive to HBo was what was best for Main events not Kov.

HBo has most of the top end P4P talent even though most major boxing media refuses to give PBC any love in that department it's pathetic. But having P4P guys fighting no hopers unless it's PPv isn't a good look, in the last year
GGG has fought Monroe , Lemiuex (PPV ) and Wade
Kov ( Mohamedi , Pascal x2 )
ChocolatITO has fought garbage
LOMA has fought garbage
Crawford ( Lundy , Jean , Dulhorme , Postol ??? PPV
Canelo Kirkland and Cotto ( props for that fight getting made )
Bradley = Vargas , Rios , Chaves , Manny ( honestly can't knock that at all )

That's not a good look for having the top end talent consistNtly going against nobodies that are expected to get beat down on. Your right HBo has mastered the art of selling the fight and making compelling story lines but at the end of the day it doesn't matter this isn't WWe it's a sport and what happens in the ring is what matters.


Who cares what this forum thinks. Most are bitter life haters and anti anything Maatweather or anything affiliated with Floyd it's pathetic . Sh.it poll results don't matter on this site , the world scholars of NSB had Brandon Rios beating Mayweather in a poll and don't get me wrong BAm Bam one of my favorite fighters but unless he's allowed to bring in a handgun into the ring he isn't winning that. If people had to answer honestly and not act like b.itxlch made f@ggots they'd probably admit that PBc & co has put on better more meaningful fights in the last year compared to HBo.


Anyways it's all good man we just have a difference of opinion but that's what makes this forum good it'd suck if everyone was a mindless lemmings and every thread was unanimous you know.

[glenn mcrory]

Ain't no teams in boxing. Can't believe people still have to be told this.

This statement is so ironic, I don't even know what to say.
Looking up the word irony will link to your boxingscene profile in the future.
Your team's dead and irrelevant so I'll leave you alone. You should use the time to get ready for the house party you'll be throwing for all your best buds for the upcoming Dirrelevant brothers event.

[Nubia]

This statement is so ironic, I don't even know what to say.
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Your team's dead and irrelevant so I'll leave you alone. You should use the time to get ready for the house party you'll be throwing for all your best buds for the upcoming Dirrelevant brothers event.

You're clearly upset. No need to lose sleep over it man. It's really not a big deal, I'm sure you'll get over it.

[Pac=Duran]

It's obviously about racism doe, they just trying to keep a brother down. Nothing to do with paralyzing boxing, preventing huge fights from happening or constantly putting on awful match ups.

[Nubia]

Nothing to do with paralyzing boxing, preventing huge fights from happening or constantly putting on awful match ups.

You must really, really hate Top Rank and Golden Boy then I take it?

[Azteka]

You must really, really hate Top Rank and Golden Boy then I take it?

Top Rank and GBP started putting on some fights together when Haymon and Schaefer split.

Deal with it.

[Willy Wanker]

I like Al Haymon actually, just not a fan of a lot fighters he promotes.

[North Star]

Let's kick the facts. How the f**k do you put a fighter that has drawn 8,000 fans on the undercard of a fighter who on a good day draws the 5 Cubans from BoxingScene to his fights? That's what your ****** idol Al Haymon did with Barthelemy vs. DeMarco and Vasquez Jr. vs. Omotoso. Maybe it's because Barthelemy is black? I mean Barthelemy has headlined on CBS, NBC, and Showtime.

I doubt you'd trust any other source, so here's the words from the devil's mouth:

"At his most recent fight in May, against Emmanuel Lartey at the CONSOL Energy Center in Pittsburgh, not from Vazquez’s hometown of Moneseen, Pennsylvania, he attracted close to 8,000 fans."

http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/news/sammy-vasquez-jr-built-huge-following-pittsburgh-now-he-s-looking-do-so-nationally

Let's compare Sammy Vasquez Jr. to a fellow Welterweight in Errol Spence Jr. though. Spence Jr. fought 4 times in 2015. On NBC Sports Network, and co-headliner on NBC twice and on Spike. All 4 against weak ass opponents. And he'll be headlining on NBC on Saturday.

Sammy Vasquez Jr. hasn't fought the best opposition either but between him and Spence Jr. he definitely has the best single win in Aron Martinez. Other than that their resumes are about equal.

As aforementioned, Vasquez Jr. is capable of drawing 8,000 fans, he's Mexican, and a U.S. Army Veteran. What does Spence Jr. have on that? Other than the fact that he's black.

Weird how Miguel Vazquez and Rances Barthelemy fight fairly similar, but Barthelemy has headlined televised cards 3 times and Vazquez has been robbed twice both against black skinned fighters in Bey and Mendez.

Weird how illiterate f**ks with no fans like Gervonta Davis get televised spots as a prospect that hasn't proved s**t, but a solid contender like Hugo Centeno Jr. can't get a televised spot or even a fight period. Mexican-American fighter that speaks perfect English and Spanish, had a highlight reel knockout on HBO but he's Haymon's last priority. Maybe because he's not black?

I could go on and on, but y'all should get the point. Bob Arum the devil doe! Oscar De La Hoya the devil doe!

Haymon just wants to keep them as stepping stones for his other name fighters.

[about.thousands]

We've always had to work twice as hard to prove we're just as good, or better. The hate doesn't surprise me.

[Eff Pandas]

First off who fu.cking cares what Duva thinks.

LOL fair enough. I was just trying to suggest what people think, particularly people in the business says a lot. But yea Duva is kinda bat**** crazy so she mighta been a bad example.

Is HBO a better fit for the their 3-4 promotors that they have , all fighting over their available dates and budget yeah probably but Haymons taking the promoters out as being the most important cog in the equation and handing some of that power back to the fighters. I'm sure if you asked KOv if he had a chance to make more $ and be seen by more people he'd be all in. Main events signing Kiv to exclusive to HBo was what was best for Main events not Kov.

Tend to agree with all of this. The best thing about PBC in my eyes at this point is they are attempting to flip the current fighter/promoter/network model on its head which I hate & think is bad for boxing, the fans & boxers themselves.

HBo has most of the top end P4P talent even though most major boxing media refuses to give PBC any love in that department it's pathetic

Honestly this is all PBC's fault. When they had their initially presser announcing PBC they hand selected who was invited to this event & left out many huge names in boxing media. Like or not their is some ego involved in things like this. And this could have been forgiven or overlooked if PBC has been operated more openly since that day, but there is still lil communication between the media & PBC & the media & the Haymon friendly promoters can't really have the same relationship cuz they don't seem to know whats up. The best thing PBC could have done is invite all the standard boxing media talking heads to their initial event + have a figure head that can talk to all those guys moving forward from that point. I 100% feel the position PBC was in right now would be entirely different & much more positive if they'd have done something as simple as that. They only got themselves to blame here.

That's not a good look for having the top end talent consistNtly going against nobodies that are expected to get beat down on. Your right HBo has mastered the art of selling the fight and making compelling story lines but at the end of the day it doesn't matter this isn't WWe it's a sport and what happens in the ring is what matters.

I don't think a lot of boxing fans know the difference between Canelo vs Kirkland & Thurman vs Porter is the problem. If you got a big name vs a no hoper fight on HBO vs two up & coming guys or two top guys, but not THE top guys fight on PBC its often a wash or the big name makes the fight bigger is what I think. Thats one of the major disagreements we have probably. Granted as a hardcore boxing fan I'm more excited for Thurman vs Porter than Canelo vs the guy who gets KTFO by light hitting Asian MW's & hasn't fought in a year, but I don't think a lot of people realize that or maybe even think too hard about that to start with & that WWE thing you bring up, that hype stuff, that building things up stuff that HBO is so good at is a large part of that rightly or wrongly.

Who cares what this forum thinks.

Well okay, but all I'm saying is you got your reality, I got my reality, everyone has their own reality, but there is a consensus opinion out there that matters to the reality we are all walking around in. Not being able to look at that reality despite your own opinions that maybe in disagreement & seeing that consensus might give you this opinion that PBC is seen as better as HBO, when its only really you & some small minority of fans see that as the case.

The good part for PBC about this is that reality is always changing & peoples opinion are changing as well so if PBC does things better & HBO does things worse PBC can be the better product in boxing, but that just isn't the case right now as I & I think most boxing fans see it.

Anyways it's all good man we just have a difference of opinion but that's what makes this forum good it'd suck if everyone was a mindless lemmings and every thread was unanimous you know.

Very true. Respect brother.