Showtime Ratings: Martin-Joshua 275K, Selby-Hunter 205K

[bballchump11]

Showtime's previous Sat night fight was what Santa Cruz/Martinez? Well that did just 267,000 viewers. There is way more going on then just an afternoon fight. HBO had GGG and Tyson Fury fight last year overseas broadcast live in the afternoon and each did 3-4X these ratings.

Santa Cruz vs Martinez was going head to head with Crawford/Lundy which failed to do over 1 million viewers. Both fights were affected.

In any case, these numbers are low even for Showtime and even for an afternoon fight. Showtime has a really good lineup of fights coming up, so I expect the ratings to pick up little by little. Gary Russel Jr vs Hyland will be on Saturday right after the NBC fights. We'll see how that does.

[-PBP-]

I don't know if that's good or not. I just hope that's enough for Showtime to keep paying for these international cards.

[FrankieBruno]

Jousha ain't a superstar like Khan is in the US

[SplitSecond]

The undercard to this fight was boring. The undercard to Pac-Bradley was probably the best I've watched from top to bottom. They need to make'em more like that, minus the uncalled for main event.

[Pigeons]

Showtime's previous Sat night fight was what Santa Cruz/Martinez? Well that did just 267,000 viewers. There is way more going on then just an afternoon fight. HBO had GGG and Tyson Fury fight last year overseas broadcast live in the afternoon and each did 3-4X these ratings.

Their last one was Williams-Matano which did 311K. Santa Cruz-Martinez did 297K.

Showtime is entering a critical stretch here as they have a lot of cards scheduled. Russell Jr. doubleheader, Jack doubleheader, Lara tripleheader, Provodnikov tripleheader, Wilder doubleheader, and Santa Cruz-Frampton.

[-Kev-]

That's disgustingly low.

[_original_]

Not difficult to see what's going on. Early last year when you had Golden Boy promoting Haymon fighters on Showtime guys like Wilder did 1.2mil viewers. And for about a 2 year stretch Showtime was basically neck and neck with HBO in ratings. What changed? Haymon split with Golden Boy and created PBC. Took all Showtime fighters off to a million other networks. You go from the number 1 promoter in the game to Haymon now using 3rd rate smaller promoters who aren't as good at promoting as Golden Boy. Whatever momentum fighters had 1-2 years ago on Showtime was killed with these guys fighting mainly mismatches on Spike, FS1 ect. Everyone of these PBC fighters now that they have come back to Showtime have done far worse ratings then prior.

Haymon has completely run Showtime into the ground

You raise a fine point. I also think Richard Shaefer was instrumental in that equation, not sure why Haymon doesn't hire him back in some form.

To be fair, PBC did have great success initially with huge ratings from Thurman-Guerrero and Garcia-Peterson so I could see why they thought of all but abandoning Showtime as their flagship network.

[bigdunny1]

Santa Cruz vs Martinez was going head to head with Crawford/Lundy which failed to do over 1 million viewers. Both fights were affected.

In any case, these numbers are low even for Showtime and even for an afternoon fight. Showtime has a really good lineup of fights coming up, so I expect the ratings to pick up little by little. Gary Russel Jr vs Hyland will be on Saturday right after the NBC fights. We'll see how that does.

It's not about afternoon fights and it's not about head to head with HBO I can point to any fight you want like Jacobs vs Quillin which showtime paid 3mil alone for the Jacobs and Quillin in the main event and paid more money to produce a 24/7 type show to promote the fight and it did what 300k viewers and it wasn't during the afternoon and not head to head with HBO. Even guys like Wilder and Broner who did 1mil plus ratings over a year ago their last Showtime ratings were half that at about 500k viewers. And the mark in the sand before the ratings fell off a cliff is PBC/Golden Boy split.

Think about 1-2 years ago they would get 250-300k viewers on ShoBox friday night boxing where they paid prospects and journey men like 50k purses. Now they paying millions more then that for the same ratings on Sat night Boxing.

[ИATAS]

This was a daytime fight that was delayed on the west coast. I streamed it live on my computer rather than waiting three hours for the tape delay.

[b00g13man]

Was anyone actually expecting the US viewing figures to be high? The UK numbers are what matter for him.