Comments Thread For: Robert Helenius Will Look To Bounce Back on July 2

[techliam]

Well then, if that's your thesis, then the World governing bodies DKSAB because obvious these men had ability. They could fight and punch and should have been ranked higher than #20 in the ranking system. I guess they must have all of sudden slipped through the cracks somehow; Meaning Eric Molina and Johann Duhaupas that is. Also, I've noticed that you've highlighted the word former in my post. It was true was it not, that Robert Helenius was indeed a former undefeated, European and World titleholder up until the point of getting KO by Johann Duhaupas? Am I right?

I've already stated it was true, but I also stated you've conveniently neglected to declare any other circumstances regarding these two fighters, namely:

Helenius has been plagued with injuries in the past, and hasn't looked anywhere near the level he was before he won the European title due to an absurd decision (shoulder injury preventing a good performance i've heard)

Adamek has never looked great at HW, ever. Far too small. On top of this, he's way way past his prime.

Its your choice if you want to ignore these pretty important factors in your analysis of the situation, but don't parade around as if you're presenting a fairly strong argument.

As for the ranking systems you refer to, which ones? The sanctioning body ones? They really are riddles, wrapped in mysteries inside enigmas. Its common practice for sanctioning body, especially the WBC/WBA, to install any fighter as rank 15 in a division to make them eligible for a world title shot. Burns is a pretty good current example. This shows the rankings employed by ABC bodies are not mainly based on skill and achievement, but something else. You'd be a in a vast minority to argue that Duhaupas and Molina are anything higher than top-20 fighters

[champion4ever]

I've already stated it was true, but I also stated you've conveniently neglected to declare any other circumstances regarding these two fighters, namely:

Helenius has been plagued with injuries in the past, and hasn't looked anywhere near the level he was before he won the European title due to an absurd decision (shoulder injury preventing a good performance i've heard)

Adamek has never looked great at HW, ever. Far too small. On top of this, he's way way past his prime.

Its your choice if you want to ignore these pretty important factors in your analysis of the situation, but don't parade around as if you're presenting a fairly strong argument.

As for the ranking systems you refer to, which ones? The sanctioning body ones? They really are riddles, wrapped in mysteries inside enigmas. Its common practice for sanctioning body, especially the WBC/WBA, to install any fighter as rank 15 in a division to make them eligible for a world title shot. Burns is a pretty good current example. This shows the rankings employed by ABC bodies are not mainly based on skill and achievement, but something else. You'd be a in a vast minority to argue that Duhaupas and Molina are anything higher than top-20 fighters

If that's your position then I would no longer hassle you. However, all I am saying is and I hope that you can agree with me is that if Helenius and Adamek couldn't duplicate similar results against Duhaupas and Molina as Wilder did, then Deontay Wilder deserved a lot more credit for those two victories than he had originally gotten from us boxing fans and shouldn't be considered a bum.

[ShoulderRoll]

Helenius did land well as the article states. Duhaupas deserves a lot of credit for his toughness in weathering those punches and still coming back to stop him.

He's better than I gave him credit for.

[Fury4daWIN]

Helenius did land well as the article states. Duhaupas deserves a lot of credit for his toughness in weathering those punches and still coming back to stop him.

He's better than I gave him credit for.

That's the foolishness of labelling a fighter a bum before you know their true level. Duhaupas was considered a joke opponent mainly because a lot of people had never heard of him before or seen him fight. In reality, anyone who took the time to review his fights could see he was a tough customer, but even in today's internet age people are too lazy to do that.

Wilder deserves a lot of kudos for handling him as easily as he did. Duhaupas would be a handful for anyone.

[Tobi.G]

So Wilder was criticised for facing top-20 opposition after acquiring a paper title, though a top 5 contender nonetheless. The wins by Duhaupas and Molina verify they are indeed top 20 heavyweights, and not any worse than we suspected.

Aight! There ya go boay!