Comments Thread For: Canelo Not Surprised That Conor McGregor Lost To Nate Diaz

[SplitSecond]

I'm not sure what exactly you are saying. Are you saying fighting at your walking around weight is bad?

I guess I can better define what I'm talking about by saying I think combat sport athletes should fight at their natural healthy weight. I think that would be safer for combat sports & healthier for athletes bodies. How you go about determining that is open for discussion, but I do believe there is a weight range that could be narrowed down to compete at with the science available to us these days when a fighter is getting his license. Maybe do something like BMI-like, but with more factors to better determine hydration levels & other things that better define what a good natural weight for a fighter would be.

I agree with your point(that cutting weight can be detrimental to a fighters health). I was just saying that walk around weight isn't the same as fighting weight.

[Redd Foxx]

You can't mention something that went down 8 years ago in a two decade old league & act like you just did some touchdown dance level comeback bro, but nice try. There is no debating that the UFC has improved over time & continues to improve on the well oiled machine it has become.

There is a solid argument Lesnar was a hype job that was thrown into the fire & who happened to come out on top & earn respect later.

Exceptions are not the rule. You must consider Lomachenko a hype job too. Lesnar had the credential of an NCAA champion after earning 2nd place the year prior and compiling a 106–5 record over 4 years. He had pedigree and not quite the novice you're trying to make out.

Using Brock's college resume from 10 years previous reeks of desperation but if you need more recent examples of how the ufc does not rely on rankings ;
-Diaz vs GSP.
-Silva vs Velasquez II.
-Sonnen vs Jones.
-Machida vs Jones.
-Gustafson vs Cormeir.
-Connor leapfrogging over Edgar for the shot against Aldo. Frankie's rematch was clearly more well deserved.
-Connor getting gifted an unprepared Chad Mendez instead of Edgar who was higher ranked .
-Maia currently getting passed over because he's boring.
-Okami and Fitch getting passed over for years.

I could go on, and on, and on. If you feel you have to get in the last word, go for it, but FFS, give up on this argument, you're out of bullets.

[Eff Pandas]

Using Brock's college resume from 10 years previous reeks of desperation but if you need more recent examples of how the ufc does not rely on rankings ;
-Diaz vs GSP.
-Silva vs Velasquez II.
-Sonnen vs Jones.
-Machida vs Jones.
-Gustafson vs Cormeir.
-Connor leapfrogging over Edgar for the shot against Aldo. Frankie's rematch was clearly more well deserved.
-Connor getting gifted an unprepared Chad Mendez instead of Edgar who was higher ranked .
-Maia currently getting passed over because he's boring.
-Okami and Fitch getting passed over for years.

I could go on, and on, and on.

Don't get where you are going with this. Most of these fights are legit fights between two top ranked guys outright. You can always nitpick matchups.

You definitely got a point with some of the "less entertaining" guys not getting their due, but the main point we were getting at was hype jobs & the reality is you get battle tested in the UFC in a way no other combat sport or combat sport league is able to duplicate or seems willing or able to match.

Is it 100% perfect? No.

Was it always as efficient & effective at battle testing guys coming up? No.

Is it still the best iron sharpening iron competitive platform in combat sports? Without question.

[Redd Foxx]

Don't get where you are going with this.

This;

NO ONE in the UFC gets to where Conor got & is a hype job. There is a structure to UFC matchmaking that insures anyone who gets to the top earned it.

You definitely got a point with some of the "less entertaining" guys not getting their due, but the main point we were getting at was hype jobs & the reality is you get battle tested in the UFC in a way no other combat sport or combat sport league is able to duplicate or seems willing or able to match.

Is it 100% perfect? No.

Was it always as efficient & effective at battle testing guys coming up? No.

Is it still the best iron sharpening iron competitive platform in combat sports? Without question.

I think boxing is an absolute mess as far a title shots go, and even mandatories are usually a joke because of the multiple championships. So, I don't think we're disagreeing there. I'm certainly no boxing apologist or MMA hater. The subject here being the UFC and Connor specifically, I don't give them a pass just because everyone else is doing it. Connor was given the quick pass to the championship and to bolster my argument, how the fk did he get a shot at a belt in a 2nd weight class w/o defending the first belt even once? I call it "hype job", others will more politely call it looking out after "business".

[kafkod]

Nahh! There wondering how GGG fans can call Canelo a ducker when GGG flat out ducked Ward! Ward moved up to fight Kov. When is Lil G gonna move up??? He weighs 172? And fights at 160. The WORST divison in boxing right now.

Ward has flat out called GGG I *****! And even ran into him live. GGG said his English not soo good. Ward a very good boxer, one of the best. Sanchez and Loeffler almost cashed checks GGG wouldn't be able to back up.EVERYONE knows Ward would of beat GGG and made him look ******. Sht Andre Dirrell and GGG went 1-1 against each other and BOTH times could of went either way..

Reason why Monroe was a bigger star then Lara.. Lol! GGG has NEVER even fought a boxer close to Lara as a pro

Sigh ... yeah, I bet everybody in Dublin is talking about that now.

Knowing the Irish, they probaby have folk songs about it too...

[big_james10]

McGregor will win the rematch. I am sure that Dana White has already told Diaz that if he doesn't take a dive in the rematch, he will not pay Diaz and Diaz will never fight in the UFC again (ala Mikey Garcia).

[Eff Pandas]

I think boxing is an absolute mess as far a title shots go, and even mandatories are usually a joke because of the multiple championships. So, I don't think we're disagreeing there. I'm certainly no boxing apologist or MMA hater.

Fair enough.

The subject here being the UFC and Connor specifically, I don't give them a pass just because everyone else is doing it. Connor was given the quick pass to the championship and to bolster my argument, how the fk did he get a shot at a belt in a 2nd weight class w/o defending the first belt even once? I call it "hype job", others will more politely call it looking out after "business".

Conor destroyed I believe the longest reigning UFC title holder at the time, who hadn't even lost a fight in a decade & was among the top rated guys P4P. For the life of me I don't understand whats a hype job about that. And when you do something like that & you say you wanna move up a division to fight the champ there you tend to be able to call your shot. Due to how it went down there can definitely be claims to that outcome being a fluke one shot KO, but that doesn't change the reality that it was a one shot KO of a long standing respected champion.

[SouthPawHitman]

Using Brock's college resume from 10 years previous reeks of desperation but if you need more recent examples of how the ufc does not rely on rankings ;
-Diaz vs GSP.
-Silva vs Velasquez II.
-Sonnen vs Jones.
-Machida vs Jones.
-Gustafson vs Cormeir.
-Connor leapfrogging over Edgar for the shot against Aldo. Frankie's rematch was clearly more well deserved.
-Connor getting gifted an unprepared Chad Mendes instead of Edgar who was higher ranked .
-Maia currently getting passed over because he's boring.
-Okami and Fitch getting passed over for years.

I could go on, and on, and on. If you feel you have to get in the last word, go for it, but FFS, give up on this argument, you're out of bullets.

This is the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever read on the internet.

[Redd Foxx]

This is the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever read on the internet.

Well, you stick emotion, I'll stick with the facts. There was a lot of uproar about it when it happened. I don't make this shyt up. People just fell in love with McGregor and don't want to hear that they were bamboozled.

[aboutfkntime]

I think I disagree with most on this one.....

McGregor is a badass, he is legit..... no question.

He was DESTROYING fools at 145, lets not forget that.

The problem for him against Diaz is a combination of the following.....

* he did not misjudge 155/170lb'ers, but he totally misjudged how HE could perform at that weight..... which is why 99% of boxers take shorter/lesser fights after moving up to give their bodies time to adjust.

* Diaz was an awful style-matchup, especially considering point above.

This is the problem, McGregor is a front-runner, albiet a fkn good one..... he blasts fools out of there, and there is not much you can do to stop him..... lets not forget, McGregor was doing a number on Diaz, and after the 1st round, very few people gave Diaz a chance to pull it around..... Conor was dishing Nate up, and he could have beaten a number of other guys (155lb'ers, and possibly 170lb'ers) that night.....

..... the problem for McGregor is this..... Diaz is tough as fk..... he does not get KO'd or submitted, you have to go 5 rounds with that fk'er and beat him by decision.

IF McGregor had beaten Diaz in that 1st round, everyone would be calling him the 2nd coming..... but Diaz handled that ****, while McGregor blew himself out.

I got some more bad news for McGregor..... the difficult part of the equation will be getting back down to 145..... not sure if he will be as dominant at featherweight, or if he can even make 145 now.