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  • HI-TECH Boxing
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    #51
    Originally posted by tiliheels
    i didnt say u favor him bc race i said dont patronize other fighters who have not needed gift decisions. i thought lomo cleanly lost vs salido and got ruffed up.

    i said lomo made 400k than he did in his first title fight vs russell coming off of a loss..he got 215k for salido and 650 for russell...that made no freaking sense..

    once again u cannot discout that rigo and walters beating donaire...if u're going to credit lomo for losing and beat a very unprove russell...rico ramos did just as much as russell in the ams...but that doens make him a great pro and rigo beat ramos with like 9 fights...

    we just dont agree..but there is noway i'd let lomo make more money than me with 6 fights and i have p4p wins or undefeated record after 29 fights..if lomo brought a crowd ok fine, but he does not...and dont tell me i'm messing up big fights by talkin Aside and Bside im no promoter...nor am i the person turning it down..im the person that judges it for wat it is...if u want to see them fight pay them right..or u'll never be a fan.
    The Salido fight was close. Other so called P4P fighters get roughed up and they get the decision and they don't even outland their opponent. Had the referee taken off points from Salido (like he should have) then Loma would have definitely gotten the decision, but since Loma is not a favorite (like you think he is) he didn't get the decision. I don't want to keep discussing this, it's getting quite boring.
    Well Russell's people were the ones that won the purse bid, so why is it Loma's fault he got a good paycheck. Russell's people should have bid lower. Right?
    Russell is one of the most of accomplished American amateurs since Andre Ward. We are talking multiple time USA National champion, National Golden Gloves Champion, 2008 Olympian and getting a Bronze medal at the 2005 World Championships at the age of 17!
    Ramos was nowhere near as accomplished as an amateur.
    Russell's pro career has definitely been a bit of a disappointment with those hand injuries and what not. I would favor Russell over that Donaire that fought Walters for sure though. Don't make the Donaire win for Walters sound bigger than it is. Donaire was struggling in his two fights before Walters. Nonito was above his best weight class and was already slowing down. Rigo gets full credit for his Donaire win. Rigo actually fought a Donaire coming off an impressive year and in a better weight class for Nonito.

    Dude, you're so worried about their checks. Are you getting part of Walters' money or something?
    You're also really in love with undefeated records. I'm assuming you're favorite fighters are undefeated? Are you going to stop supporting them if they lose? That's not a real fan, is it? If my fighter loses, I'll keep supporting them ESPECIALLY if they were fighting the best fighters available in their primes. Nothing beats a fighter that's actually willing to test themselves. Even if they're not my favorite fighters, but they are willing to test themselves against the best fighters that are in their primes and are daring to be great, I can't disrespect that. I have more respect for fighters willing to test themselves than fighters that worry about their little 0. That's one of the reasons why boxing is losing people. People hate to admit it, but there is something seriously wrong with boxing right now. And it's okay, I actually thinking denying that something is wrong with boxing is worse than actually seeing the mistakes and trying to fix them.
    Let's not get blinded by our love for boxing. When there is something wrong we should try to fix not hide it and pretend nothing is wrong.

    Originally posted by tiliheels
    if walters couldnt make 126 then bring in a replacement..that is my only argument or go ahead with the fight and fine him...can you say that isnt possible?? if you say it is possible there is nothing else to argue...managers kno this and they didnt go that way instead they picked replacement level opponents instead

    lomo shouldnt be talk smack if he knows he's getting the upper hand in negotiations if he doesnt deserve it..that is wat im say...u're telling other fighters to bow to him...HE IS NOT THEIR GOD...he brings them nothing..ppl will say u beat a man with 6 fights that lost to fuggin salido...so u get minimal credit and a low purse....THAT IS NOT COOL bc it is their career..

    how aroudn the same when walters asked 1 million bc arum has yet to pay him for beatin donaire and being a champ like he did for lomo....there must be some sort of color barrier i dont see..bc lomo is not dra2w and doesnt have a donaire win...
    walters and lomo should each be getting about 750k to 1.2m....if they cant pull that out their tales they dont want to put on the best fights..simple as that..and once again the haymon effect kills hbo
    So Lomachenko would waste a training camp thinking he will fight Walters then in the last second they would change his opponent? You know how much criticism Loma would get? Walters would not get any of the blame. People would say "oh Loma is fighting a bum that took the fight in a weeks notice". That's freaking dumb, man. Come on. You should know better.

    Loma is not talking smack. Is he taunting them a little? Yes, but that's because Walters is making it more difficult than it has to.
    Walters would get his career highest purse for the Loma fight. What do you mean "low purse"?

    Well, let's see what big fights Walters gets then. You guys were accusing Loma of ducking this guy, but now you don't want the fight. I get it. I'm cool with Loma moving on if Walters is too scared. But let's see what big fights Walters and Rigo get over the next few months.
    Loma gets a nice pay check because of the contract he signed to turn pro. I'm sure you can find the details if you look around Obviously several promoters wanted to sign him since he is a top 5 amateur boxer of all time. And of course he was going to sign the best contract for himself. You can't hate him for that. You would do the same if you were in his position.

    I'm really curious to see what big money fights Walters will get though. I can't wait to see Walters in a huge fight in which both Walters and his opponent make millions of dollars. I can't wait.
    That goes for Rigo as well.

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      #52
      Here is an interesting vid. An interview with Otis and Howard Grant (former fighters and now trainers in Montreal) Otis thinks Walters can win, but a tough fight. Howard cannot see Walters winning, and says Lomochenko is the slickest defensive fighter he has seen since Pernell Whitaker.

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        #53
        Bob should tell them both, take the 500k each, or else you might not get any big ticket fights any time soon. Walters especially is getting way too difficult. Lomo seems willing. Make the purses even.

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