Comments Thread For: Video: Klimas on Lomachenko-Walters, Gradovich, More

[tiliheels]

That bum didn't expose ****. He says Lomachenko would be making double of what Rigo and Walters would make, but yet he has no evidence. He's always saying things out of his ass, so he could "expose" fighters/people he doesn't like for obvious reasons. If it were the opposite he would find a way to still blame it on Loma. Loma will never be in the right when it comes to someone like that dude.
Double standards go both ways, man.
Lomachenko would be making around the same as Rigo and Walters.

I really have no idea what Walters' fans are arguing at this point. They accused Lomachenko of ducking Walters and now that they're negotiating the fight they keep coming up with stuff.

to your last point..walters was ducked imo..bc lomo fought replacement level opponents..now he wants walters when his excuse was "he has no title" um newsflash...HE HAS NO TITLE...but too lomo's credit he's going after it now bc he seen the ill in his ways...took him a year but w/e he has 6 fights..no rush

but as for walters..im sure he doesnt care about know he'll win or lose..he's a prize fighter...and for all the grief given to haymon..we see his fighter take home more than 500k to fight bums....U HAVE TO PAY TO SEE HIM PLAY OR HE COULD GO ASK U TO FIGHT FOR CRUMS...500K BARELY COVERS EXPENSES OF A BOXER BRO...MANAGER COULD BE TAKIN 30% OF THAT..CAMP AND SPARRING PARNTERS...TAXES...

he exposed that they claim that they should get more for going up in weight like a lot of you fans are repeating...but he was only willing to pay rigo 500k..while rigo has made 750k in a unification fight...

love lomo or hate him he's the only boxer to ever lose a championship fight..and make 400k more dollars fighting for the same title in the next fight...SOUNDS BABIED TO ME...idc if im a fan that is just not fair to everyone else

[tiliheels]

It's funny, some of the supposed P4P kings get hit with 150-200+ in several of their fights and their performances are considered masterclasses. Salido doesn't land even 150 punches on Loma, yet in the eyes of the same people that praise the other guys Loma supposedly got beat-up.
Funny how that works.

he had lomo backing off all night..he was teaching him about the pros..im sure lomo's body felt like it was hit by more than 300 punches that night...a loss is a loss..and yes when u are on the p4p level u might be hit that much bc guys are just as good as you. skill levels increase...lomo was a clear fave and he lost, i accept it. he learned...mickey garcia looked much better for the most part..

but much respect to lomo he went in his next fight (regardless of how bogus it was) and had one of the best performance of that year the way he was schooling russell's dumb ass

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he had lomo backing off all night..he was teaching him about the pros..im sure lomo's body felt like it was hit by more than 300 punches that night...a loss is a loss..and yes when u are on the p4p level u might be hit that much bc guys are just as good as you. skill levels increase...lomo was a clear fave and he lost, i accept it. he learned...mickey garcia looked much better for the most part..

but much respect to lomo he went in his next fight (regardless of how bogus it was) and had one of the best performance of that year the way he was schooling russell's dumb ass

So backing off loses you fights now?
Then guys like Mayweather, Rigondeaux would have plenty of losses because they back off in most of their fights. That logic is dumb.
Loma outlanded Salido. Salido was allowed to throw low blows and headbutts all night and didn't get a warning.
I do think Egis Klimas has to blame himself for letting the fight happen in Texas, where nobody gets caught for steroids and Salido was caught before. He's also dumb for not calling out the referee on Salido's low blows and headbutts. They could have definitely done more.
Mikey Garcia was a pro for like 7 years when he fought Salido. Lomachenko was only in the pro game for a few months. That's not taking anything away from Garcia, I thought Garcia looked great in the Salido fight for sure.

And how was the Russell fight bogus? Lomachenko went to Showtime to fight the guy and it was under Russell's "promotion" (Golden Boy didn't promote Russell, but they were with Haymon at the time and Haymon manages Russell).
They almost robbed Lomachenko in that fight. Russell couldn't land and somehow all three judges had it close. Lomachenko beat Russell worse than Walters beat Sosa. Sosa was at least landing several shots of his own against Walters. Had the Lomachenko-Russell fight been even a little bit competitive, then they would have given the fight to Russell and that's the truth.
That's why I don't understand why people think Lomachenko is favored. They're "scared" Walters may get robbed, like wtf does that mean? Lomachenko is not getting favored in his fights. He almost got robbed against Russell and the Salido fight could have gone his way without a doubt. Answer me this: If Felix Verdejo or Oscar Valdez were in the same position that Loma was against Salido, meaning it was a competitive fight, don't you think they would have gotten the decision?
I'll answer it: Yes, they would have gotten the decision.

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to your last point..walters was ducked imo..bc lomo fought replacement level opponents..now he wants walters when his excuse was "he has no title" um newsflash...HE HAS NO TITLE...but too lomo's credit he's going after it now bc he seen the ill in his ways...took him a year but w/e he has 6 fights..no rush

but as for walters..im sure he doesnt care about know he'll win or lose..he's a prize fighter...and for all the grief given to haymon..we see his fighter take home more than 500k to fight bums....U HAVE TO PAY TO SEE HIM PLAY OR HE COULD GO ASK U TO FIGHT FOR CRUMS...500K BARELY COVERS EXPENSES OF A BOXER BRO...MANAGER COULD BE TAKIN 30% OF THAT..CAMP AND SPARRING PARNTERS...TAXES...

he exposed that they claim that they should get more for going up in weight like a lot of you fans are repeating...but he was only willing to pay rigo 500k..while rigo has made 750k in a unification fight...

love lomo or hate him he's the only boxer to ever lose a championship fight..and make 400k more dollars fighting for the same title in the next fight...SOUNDS BABIED TO ME...idc if im a fan that is just not fair to everyone else

How was Walters ducked? Was Lomachenko the one that missed weight? No, he wasn't. Had Walters made weight against Marriaga the Loma-Walters fight would have happened last year more than likely. I don't understand how Walters was ducked, please do explain.
Was Lomachenko supposed to move up for him right away without exploring his options at 126 first just because poor little Walters didn't make weight?
Or would Walters still be able to make 126? If he could then why doesn't he challenge Lomachenko for 126 title right now then? I'll tell you why because it was BS.

It's funny though, people are getting mad that Lomachenko made 750K for fighting Koasicha, but here you are saying that Haymon pays his fighters more than 500K to fight bums. So why aren't the people that get mad at Lomachenko for making 750K getting mad at Haymon fighters for making more (some are making millions)?
I don't have a problem with Haymon, so don't play victim with me. I don't play sides. I've said more bad things about Top Rank, Klimas, and HBO than of Haymon.

I don't know if you're serious about all of this or if you're just a troll with nothing better to do.

[tiliheels]

So backing off loses you fights now?
Then guys like Mayweather, Rigondeaux would have plenty of losses because they back off in most of their fights. That logic is dumb.
Loma outlanded Salido. Salido was allowed to throw low blows and headbutts all night and didn't get a warning.
I do think Egis Klimas has to blame himself for letting the fight happen in Texas, where nobody gets caught for steroids and Salido was caught before. He's also dumb for not calling out the referee on Salido's low blows and headbutts. They could have definitely done more.
Mikey Garcia was a pro for like 7 years when he fought Salido. Lomachenko was only in the pro game for a few months. That's not taking anything away from Garcia, I thought Garcia looked great in the Salido fight for sure.

And how was the Russell fight bogus? Lomachenko went to Showtime to fight the guy and it was under Russell's "promotion" (Golden Boy didn't promote Russell, but they were with Haymon at the time and Haymon manages Russell).
They almost robbed Lomachenko in that fight. Russell couldn't land and somehow all three judges had it close. Lomachenko beat Russell worse than Walters beat Sosa. Sosa was at least landing several shots of his own against Walters. Had the Lomachenko-Russell fight been even a little bit competitive, then they would have given the fight to Russell and that's the truth.
That's why I don't understand why people think Lomachenko is favored. They're "scared" Walters may get robbed, like wtf does that mean? Lomachenko is not getting favored in his fights. He almost got robbed against Russell and the Salido fight could have gone his way without a doubt. Answer me this: If Felix Verdejo or Oscar Valdez were in the same position that Loma was against Salido, meaning it was a competitive fight, don't you think they would have gotten the decision?
I'll answer it: Yes, they would have gotten the decision.

lomo russell was bogus bc lomo was had just lost and was not number 1 contender and they still gave him another shot. and 400k extra dollars.

say wat u want salido beat lomo and you kno he did just as well i as i know he did.

and u cant hate on verdejo and valdez until u see them in that position...so ****tin on other fighters again to save him is not cool, just let his career play out.

but i will not accept Aside talk like a clown when i know guys like rigo and walters have done a lot more and lomo's team continues to contradict themselves

[tiliheels]

How was Walters ducked? Was Lomachenko the one that missed weight? No, he wasn't. Had Walters made weight against Marriaga the Loma-Walters fight would have happened last year more than likely. I don't understand how Walters was ducked, please do explain.
Was Lomachenko supposed to move up for him right away without exploring his options at 126 first just because poor little Walters didn't make weight?
Or would Walters still be able to make 126? If he could then why doesn't he challenge Lomachenko for 126 title right now then? I'll tell you why because it was BS.

It's funny though, people are getting mad that Lomachenko made 750K for fighting Koasicha, but here you are saying that Haymon pays his fighters more than 500K to fight bums. So why aren't the people that get mad at Lomachenko for making 750K getting mad at Haymon fighters for making more (some are making millions)?
I don't have a problem with Haymon, so don't play victim with me. I don't play sides. I've said more bad things about Top Rank, Klimas, and HBO than of Haymon.

I don't know if you're serious about all of this or if you're just a troll with nothing better to do.

dont matter if he missed weight his last fight..he told u he could make 126 if u wanted the fight..instead lomo fought bums...he could have told walters to make the weight and if he did not bring in a sub opponent that they had on call...THAT IS NO EXCUSE...

well i tell you wat if bob thinks paying lomo 750k or more to fight top guys while he gives the opponent only 500k with make fights...lol he is sadly mistaken...they'd easily find it more appeal to fight lower level guys and make 350 or 450k...dont have to train as much or spend as much on camp for sparring...
I dont see lomo taking paycuts to make these fights...so dont expect them to either....and yes i know he offerd that win and get 300k, but im so sick of those type of black balling offers..they neve work boxers sign for wat they want..the prize is accepting the fight..not just winning it..bc in boxing anything can happen..u could win 12 rounds be robbed or dq'd unfairly..it doesnt matter if the other fight doenst have a history or cheating..he just might do it that night..

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dont matter if he missed weight his last fight..he told u he could make 126 if u wanted the fight..instead lomo fought bums...he could have told walters to make the weight and if he did not bring in a sub opponent that they had on call...THAT IS NO EXCUSE...

well i tell you wat if bob thinks paying lomo 750k or more to fight top guys while he gives the opponent only 500k with make fights...lol he is sadly mistaken...they'd easily find it more appeal to fight lower level guys and make 350 or 450k...dont have to train as much or spend as much on camp for sparring...
I dont see lomo taking paycuts to make these fights...so dont expect them to either....and yes i know he offerd that win and get 300k, but im so sick of those type of black balling offers..they neve work boxers sign for wat they want..the prize is accepting the fight..not just winning it..bc in boxing anything can happen..u could win 12 rounds be robbed or dq'd unfairly..it doesnt matter if the other fight doenst have a history or cheating..he just might do it that night..

If Walters could make weight (126), why does he need more time to make 130 now? And why can't he challenge for Loma's title at 126 now?
I'll tell you why, because it was complete BS and he was trying to make Loma look like the duck. If Walters could make 126, then he should challenge for Loma's 126 title. I'm sure that would make the fight worth a little bit more.

From what we know right now, Loma will be making around the same as Walters. They're getting equally paid, so what's the problem? You're paying too much attention to someone like Dontae who is saying that Lomachenko would make double the amount Walters is making, but he doesn't have any proof. He's just saying things out of his ass, to make the fighter he doesn't like for obvious reasons look like the bad guy.
Loma made 750K for that one fight, get over it! Other fighters make over a million for multiple "bum" fights and I don't see you or others getting to upset about that.
I don't think Loma should "offer" Walters 300K out of his own money just because that ***** doesn't want to fight. Especially after all of his fans were saying Loma was ducking. Now that it got real all I see is those same people coming up with BS complaints and demands.

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lomo russell was bogus bc lomo was had just lost and was not number 1 contender and they still gave him another shot. and 400k extra dollars.

say wat u want salido beat lomo and you kno he did just as well i as i know he did.

and u cant hate on verdejo and valdez until u see them in that position...so ****tin on other fighters again to save him is not cool, just let his career play out.

but i will not accept Aside talk like a clown when i know guys like rigo and walters have done a lot more and lomo's team continues to contradict themselves

Do you have any proof of Lomachenko making 400K extra for that Russell fight? Or is that just BS you heard and you believed it?
Lomachenko-Salido was a close fight in which Loma outlanded Salido. Other fighters get owned and they always get the decision. I know of a fighter that got outlanded by 50 punches, but yet he got the decision and his fans still act like he dominated the fight.
How is that hating? You keep thinking Loma gets favored because of his skin color, but if he was favored then he definitely would have gotten the decision against Salido. All I said was that if Verdejo and Valdez were in a similar fights they would without a doubt have gotten the decision. That's the truth. I know the truth hurts you.
What the hell do you mean by A side talk? Lomachenko is just trying to make a good fight.
Rigo has done more than Loma as pro, but MUCH MORE?! No. Rigo only has one major win. Walters maybe, but lets think about it. Walters has one good win. Darchinyan was old and way above his best weight class. Nonito wasn't at his best when he fought Walters either. He was in his 5th weight class and was already slowing down. He struggled with an older version of Darchinyan before his fight against Walters. Remember, Donaire took out a much better version of Darchinyan years before that in impressive fashion. I would take Russell over that Donaire. Now that I thought about it more, Walters and Loma are not that much apart in terms of accomplishments.
Lomachenko would be getting around the same amount of money as they would be getting so what is the freaking problem? It's not like Loma is making millions while they make 500K.
Lomachenko just wants the best fights. He wants the two guys people were saying he was ducking. Funny how that tune has changed now.

I'm tired of schooling you. I think you're just a troll. Nobody could be this dumb.

[tiliheels]

Do you have any proof of Lomachenko making 400K extra for that Russell fight? Or is that just BS you heard and you believed it?
Lomachenko-Salido was a close fight in which Loma outlanded Salido. Other fighters get owned and they always get the decision. I know of a fighter that got outlanded by 50 punches, but yet he got the decision and his fans still act like he dominated the fight.
How is that hating? You keep thinking Loma gets favored because of his skin color, but if he was favored then he definitely would have gotten the decision against Salido. All I said was that if Verdejo and Valdez were in a similar fights they would without a doubt have gotten the decision. That's the truth. I know the truth hurts you.
What the hell do you mean by A side talk? Lomachenko is just trying to make a good fight.
Rigo has done more than Loma as pro, but MUCH MORE?! No. Rigo only has one major win. Walters maybe, but lets think about it. Walters has one good win. Darchinyan was old and way above his best weight class. Nonito wasn't at his best when he fought Walters either. He was in his 5th weight class and was already slowing down. He struggled with an older version of Darchinyan before his fight against Walters. Remember, Donaire took out a much better version of Darchinyan years before that in impressive fashion. I would take Russell over that Donaire. Now that I thought about it more, Walters and Loma are not that much apart in terms of accomplishments.
Lomachenko would be getting around the same amount of money as they would be getting so what is the freaking problem? It's not like Loma is making millions while they make 500K.
Lomachenko just wants the best fights. He wants the two guys people were saying he was ducking. Funny how that tune has changed now.

I'm tired of schooling you. I think you're just a troll. Nobody could be this dumb.

i didnt say u favor him bc race i said dont patronize other fighters who have not needed gift decisions. i thought lomo cleanly lost vs salido and got ruffed up.

i said lomo made 400k than he did in his first title fight vs russell coming off of a loss..he got 215k for salido and 650 for russell...that made no freaking sense..

once again u cannot discout that rigo and walters beating donaire...if u're going to credit lomo for losing and beat a very unprove russell...rico ramos did just as much as russell in the ams...but that doens make him a great pro and rigo beat ramos with like 9 fights...

we just dont agree..but there is noway i'd let lomo make more money than me with 6 fights and i have p4p wins or undefeated record after 29 fights..if lomo brought a crowd ok fine, but he does not...and dont tell me i'm messing up big fights by talkin Aside and Bside im no promoter...nor am i the person turning it down..im the person that judges it for wat it is...if u want to see them fight pay them right..or u'll never be a fan.

[tiliheels]

If Walters could make weight (126), why does he need more time to make 130 now? And why can't he challenge for Loma's title at 126 now?
I'll tell you why, because it was complete BS and he was trying to make Loma look like the duck. If Walters could make 126, then he should challenge for Loma's 126 title. I'm sure that would make the fight worth a little bit more.

From what we know right now, Loma will be making around the same as Walters. They're getting equally paid, so what's the problem? You're paying too much attention to someone like Dontae who is saying that Lomachenko would make double the amount Walters is making, but he doesn't have any proof. He's just saying things out of his ass, to make the fighter he doesn't like for obvious reasons look like the bad guy.
Loma made 750K for that one fight, get over it! Other fighters make over a million for multiple "bum" fights and I don't see you or others getting to upset about that.
I don't think Loma should "offer" Walters 300K out of his own money just because that ***** doesn't want to fight. Especially after all of his fans were saying Loma was ducking. Now that it got real all I see is those same people coming up with BS complaints and demands.

if walters couldnt make 126 then bring in a replacement..that is my only argument or go ahead with the fight and fine him...can you say that isnt possible?? if you say it is possible there is nothing else to argue...managers kno this and they didnt go that way instead they picked replacement level opponents instead

lomo shouldnt be talk smack if he knows he's getting the upper hand in negotiations if he doesnt deserve it..that is wat im say...u're telling other fighters to bow to him...HE IS NOT THEIR GOD...he brings them nothing..ppl will say u beat a man with 6 fights that lost to fuggin salido...so u get minimal credit and a low purse....THAT IS NOT COOL bc it is their career..

how aroudn the same when walters asked 1 million bc arum has yet to pay him for beatin donaire and being a champ like he did for lomo....there must be some sort of color barrier i dont see..bc lomo is not dra2w and doesnt have a donaire win...
walters and lomo should each be getting about 750k to 1.2m....if they cant pull that out their tales they dont want to put on the best fights..simple as that..and once again the haymon effect kills hbo