Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach Explains Why Froch is Worth 168, But Not Ward

[therealpugilist]

A fight that didn't even come to fruition.

GGG was never moving up in the first place...his team was using established fighters name for publicity all the while fighing Monroe, Rosado, etc.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I'm assuming your reply is in sarcasm. If not, disregard. But let's dissect this.

You are absolutely right. The guy who knocked Pacquaio out cold had no chance of beating Floyd.

Marquez was blatantly weight drained to the point Floyd just paid him for coming in heavy. He went on to be outclassed across 12 by TBE.

Even not weight drained, Marquez had no chance of beating TBE because Marquez is a natural counter puncher. When he comes in hot he gets tagged. We saw it against Bradley, we saw it against Pacquiao, we saw it against Floyd.

The undefeated Ricky Hatton had no chance of beating Floyd.

Ricky Hatton was sloppy in the ring even before that fight. The only reason people suspected he had a chance was that he was undefeated. It didn't matter. TBE made him look foolish headbutting the turnbuckle. Hatton was never going to be able to beat Floyd, he was too slow and too unrefined a fighter.

For him to go on video with Floyd Sr. and CALL OUT the punch that Manny eventually put him to sleep with, come on man.

Also, the guy who was a world champion, had 46 pro fights, who beat Cotto and is being declared boxing's next superstar -- Canelo Alvarez -- had no chance of beating Floyd.

At the time Canelo signed that fight he was a deer in the headlights. All that hype about "next superstar" was a joke. Look at how TBE fought him. He came AFTER Canelo. He showed him no respect whatsoever in the ring because he knew Canelo couldn't beat him. Canelo was flat footed and off his game anyway. That's a dangerous combination when you're against someone like Floyd. It was like watching a more civilized Mayweather/Gatti.

I know of no notable personality that thought Canelo was winning that fight.

The guy who Canelo beat in a supposedly great matchup of great fighters -- Miguel Cotto -- had no chance of beating Floyd.

Miguel Cotto was never an elite fighter. A good fighter sure, but not elite. If he's in there with someone on his level, he loses. He only ever looked good against someone like Martinez where he was on blown knees. He almost lost to Clottey and got beat by a fresh Margarito in the first fight. Canelo's schooling of Cotto just exposed those weaknesses further. A skilled, healthy boxer with punch speed beats him every time.

Manny Pacquaio had no chance of beating him.

You already know the answer to this. Pacquiao was never in Floyd's class. Back in 2009 Manny had terrible defense against the right hand and Floyd was more apt to throw it. It would have been a similar result. More active Manny, but he'd have gotten caught plenty back then. This time wasn't going to be any different.

I know the hype has people believing that Manny "should" be better than Floyd, but reality hits bro. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights.

It was clear to me Manny wouldn't beat Floyd after Manny failed to stop Bradley the first time and actually didn't look all that impressive. He gave Bradley 5 rounds in both fights. Bradley is not an elite fighter. Very good fighter and entertaining, not an elite. Yet he managed to get 10 rounds across 24.

Prime Manny would have gotten a ref stoppage on Tim Bradley under 4 in the first fight, nullifying the need for a second fight.
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Yet, all of these fighters were considered great before, and sometimes after, their fights with Floyd.

They're still good fighters in their own right. They're just not TBE.

Nobody at 147 was beating Floyd Mayweather Jr. That's just the way it is. There's nothing wrong with that.

[techliam]

Golovkin would move up in weight for a money fight?

Who else, apart from Chavez Jr and Froch (both big money fights) did Golovkin offer to move up for?

If Ward was a huge star, the fight would have happened by now at 168. Its really a no brainer - if Golovkin loses he was at a big weight disadvantage anyway, the backlash of that particular loss wouldn't be so hard felt

I think far too many supposed GGG-'haters' overrate GGG in that you desperately want him to challenge the best fighter on the planet, at his weight.

[Bardock]

Golovkin would move up in weight for a money fight?

Who else, apart from Chavez Jr and Froch (both big money fights) did Golovkin offer to move up for?

If Ward was a huge star, the fight would have happened by now at 168. Its really a no brainer - if Golovkin loses he was at a big weight disadvantage anyway, the backlash of that particular loss wouldn't be so hard felt

I think far too many supposed GGG-'haters' overrate GGG in that you desperately want him to challenge the best fighter on the planet, at his weight.

LOL no it wouldn't have because GGG would surely lose.

[mrjoeblive]

FACT IS, coWard is a nobody. He is not a top fighter now, he keeps living off that wack Super Six Tournament lol.

Last 4 years he has fought, Edwin Rodiguez, Paul Smith and Barrera the bum lol.

He is irrelevant. A win over him means nothing. And even at his best moment, nobody cared about Ward, nobody watched him.

NOW Froch is a HUGE name in the UK and is way more relevant than Ward is.

I mean ward is only considered the defacto #1p4p while froch has been out of boxing for 2+ years. If ward is so irrelevant, why duck him ? Why not prove to the world that you're better than fighting willie munroe and rubio and other like "top" competition. Ggg fans should want to see him dispatch all comers.

[mrjoeblive]

LOL no it wouldn't have because GGG would surely lose.

You and me and most everyone knows that. What sticks out in my mind is when abel called out ward saying ward and others were afraid of ggg. Then ward called and said lets do it. Abel had to back tract and issue a mea culpa saying ggg wasn't ready for ward. This was repeated again with the same results. Abel is a joke.

[HeroBando]

I'm assuming your reply is in sarcasm. If not, disregard. But let's dissect this.



Marquez was blatantly weight drained to the point Floyd just paid him for coming in heavy. He went on to be outclassed across 12 by TBE.

Even not weight drained, Marquez had no chance of beating TBE because Marquez is a natural counter puncher. When he comes in hot he gets tagged. We saw it against Bradley, we saw it against Pacquiao, we saw it against Floyd.



Ricky Hatton was sloppy in the ring even before that fight. The only reason people suspected he had a chance was that he was undefeated. It didn't matter. TBE made him look foolish headbutting the turnbuckle. Hatton was never going to be able to beat Floyd, he was too slow and too unrefined a fighter.

For him to go on video with Floyd Sr. and CALL OUT the punch that Manny eventually put him to sleep with, come on man.



At the time Canelo signed that fight he was a deer in the headlights. All that hype about "next superstar" was a joke. Look at how TBE fought him. He came AFTER Canelo. He showed him no respect whatsoever in the ring because he knew Canelo couldn't beat him. Canelo was flat footed and off his game anyway. That's a dangerous combination when you're against someone like Floyd. It was like watching a more civilized Mayweather/Gatti.

I know of no notable personality that thought Canelo was winning that fight.



Miguel Cotto was never an elite fighter. A good fighter sure, but not elite. If he's in there with someone on his level, he loses. He only ever looked good against someone like Martinez where he was on blown knees. He almost lost to Clottey and got beat by a fresh Margarito in the first fight. Canelo's schooling of Cotto just exposed those weaknesses further. A skilled, healthy boxer with punch speed beats him every time.



You already know the answer to this. Pacquiao was never in Floyd's class. Back in 2009 Manny had terrible defense against the right hand and Floyd was more apt to throw it. It would have been a similar result. More active Manny, but he'd have gotten caught plenty back then. This time wasn't going to be any different.

I know the hype has people believing that Manny "should" be better than Floyd, but reality hits bro. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights.

It was clear to me Manny wouldn't beat Floyd after Manny failed to stop Bradley the first time and actually didn't look all that impressive. He gave Bradley 5 rounds in both fights. Bradley is not an elite fighter. Very good fighter and entertaining, not an elite. Yet he managed to get 10 rounds across 24.

Prime Manny would have gotten a ref stoppage on Tim Bradley under 4 in the first fight, nullifying the need for a second fight.

They're still good fighters in their own right. They're just not TBE.

Nobody at 147 was beating Floyd Mayweather Jr. That's just the way it is. There's nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE]
I know you're one of the ******est trolls here, but Marquez weight drained is rofl. You know what that means, cretin?

[HeroBando]

GGG was never moving up in the first place...his team was using established fighters name for publicity all the while fighing Monroe, Rosado, etc.

He didn't say he was moving up, he was gonna take these fights as one offs. No SMW tuneups needed to face Wards best win Froch in the UK

[mrjoeblive]

Not everyone else. Just the 2 cash-cows of the SMW division back when GGG couldn't get a big fight at 160.

The way you muppets whine and cry about him, anyone would think Golovkin was the only fighter who didn't offer everyone the same terms and condititions, irrespective of how much of a threat they were or how much money they brought to the table, when considering a fight outside his natural weight class.

Eg, BHop defended his MW titles at a catchweight against Oscar ... do you think he would have done that for any blown-up SWW who wanted to fight him?

Floyd fought Cotto at 154, but wouldn't fight Canelo unless he came down to 152. I expect you have an excuse for that doe.

Canelo fought at 154. Floyd fought at 147 to meet at 152 was in canelos favor. Floyd at his largest was 151lbs. How is that bad? Ggg on fight night gets in the ring at 175lbs. He is the one with the advantage. Cotto worked hard to get to 154 he was a natural welter. Canelo get in the ring on fight night at 170+ as he did vs floyd. So were is the disadvantage?

[HeroBando]

Canelo fought at 154. Floyd fought at 147 to meet at 152 was in canelos favor. Floyd at his largest was 151lbs. How is that bad? Ggg on fight night gets in the ring at 175lbs. He is the one with the advantage. Cotto worked hard to get to 154 he was a natural welter. Canelo get in the ring on fight night at 170+ as he did vs floyd. So were is the disadvantage?

It's bad cause Floyd was a reigning and 2x SWW champ attempting to unify at a CW. One year prior he was saying Cotto was undefeated cause Pac fought him at a CW, he wants his opponents at their comfortable weight. It was bad alright, but nowhere near as bad as Canelos 155 demand, worst ever