Hauser makes himself look ******...

[OnePunch]

You sound like a bitter loser

you sound like a love-struck fan boy

[original zero]

yeah, thats pretty funny to watch. They havent the slightest idea what Haymons end-game plan is, as he has never said what it is. His plan could be to run everyone else out of business, and then cut purses 75% and do crap shows on Spike and send everything else to Showtime or PPV. These idiots dont know. But yet they babble on and on "but but but free doe" and wait for Uncle Al to ejaculate in their open mouths........

They also like to pretend that Haymon has no fiduciary duty to Waddell & Reed, and the $400 million was just a gift that never has to be paid back, not to mention profit on top of that.....

And you don't have the slightest idea what Haymon's end game is either.

Running everyone out of business and then cutting purses sounds like a great plan to me, although I don't think his plan is to send everything to PPV. PPV is dying, he knows it and I think it's pretty clear he values long term rights fees over the diminishing returns of PPV.

You're acting like the $400 million was a loan. Isn't it far more likely they own a stake in Haymon's management company and will make money for years to come from the management commission whether the PBC television series is ultimately successful or not?

[El-blanco]

And you don't have the slightest idea what Haymon's end game is either.

Running everyone out of business and then cutting purses sounds like a great plan to me, although I don't think his plan is to send everything to PPV. PPV is dying, he knows it and I think it's pretty clear he values long term rights fees over the diminishing returns of PPV.

You're acting like the $400 million was a loan. Isn't it far more likely they own a stake in Haymon's management company and will make money for years to come from the management commission whether the PBC television series is ultimately successful or not?

You're the second person to mention this and I don't think you realize how absurd it is. It would take 100 years just to recoup that initial investment using that strategy, never mind actually making money waiting around for a portion of that 15% advisor fee.

[PKing]

And you don't have the slightest idea what Haymon's end game is either.

Running everyone out of business and then cutting purses sounds like a great plan to me, although I don't think his plan is to send everything to PPV. PPV is dying, he knows it and I think it's pretty clear he values long term rights fees over the diminishing returns of PPV.

You're acting like the $400 million was a loan. Isn't it far more likely they own a stake in Haymon's management company and will make money for years to come from the management commission whether the PBC television series is ultimately successful or not?

Terry is an idiot. Just like the rest of these shietty boxing promoters who have ZERO business sense other than begging HBO for money.

It's an embarrassment to mankind how these boxing promoters think. LOL

[PKing]

You're the second person to mention this and I don't think you realize how absurd it is. It would take 100 years just to recoup that initial investment using that strategy, never mind actually making money waiting around for a portion of that 15% advisor fee.

Didn't the Fertita's sell a 10% stake in the UFC years back for like $100 million?

[El-blanco]

Didn't the Fertita's sell a 10% stake in the UFC years back for like $100 million?

Do you actually think getting a portion of someone's management fee is the same as owning a stake in a company like UFC.

[PKing]

Do you actually think getting a portion of someone's management fee is the same as owning a stake in a company like UFC.

I think W&R owns the majority stake in the PBC venture. Maybe they'll sell percentages of it down the road just like the Fertita's did.

[OnePunch]

And you don't have the slightest idea what Haymon's end game is either.

Running everyone out of business and then cutting purses sounds like a great plan to me, although I don't think his plan is to send everything to PPV. PPV is dying, he knows it and I think it's pretty clear he values long term rights fees over the diminishing returns of PPV.

You're acting like the $400 million was a loan. Isn't it far more likely they own a stake in Haymon's management company and will make money for years to come from the management commission whether the PBC television series is ultimately successful or not?

They might own a stake in the management company, I dont know. Nor do I know how much of a stake they own, if in fact they do own some. Maybe that will come out in discovery. One thing I find interesting about that though comes from Chris Getty, Ben's son, and one of Keith Thurmans cornermen. He claims that to this day, including the Guerrero and Collazo fights, that Haymon has never taken a dime in management fees from Keith's purses. Now if in fact Waddell owns a percentage of those fees, Im not sure how that would be possible that management commissions didnt come out of one of PBCs highest paid fighters purses. That would fly right in the face of the theory about Waddell sharing in the management revenue. Again, none of us know the actual structure of this whole thing, so hopefully something comes out to clear it up.

As for your theory that PPV is dying, it might retract a little, but I think the reporting of it being on its deathbed is a bit premature. UFC relies on PPV to fund all its major shows. I think innovation needs to come into play a bit, and perhaps advancements in online delivery or other means would help quite a bit, because having to give almost HALF the revenue to the cable distributors is insane, and everyone (not just haymon) should be trying to find alternate delivery methods for PPV content......

[El-blanco]

I think W&R owns the majority stake in the PBC venture. Maybe they'll sell percentages of it down the road just like the Fertita's did.

That's not what you or the other guy said. You said their collateral is a portion of haymon's management fees. Thats what I'm talking about.

[OnePunch]

Terry is an idiot. Just like the rest of these shietty boxing promoters who have ZERO business sense other than begging HBO for money.

It's an embarrassment to mankind how these boxing promoters think. LOL

whats the difference between begging HBO for money or begging Waddell & Reed for money?

I'll tell you ONE major difference. HBO doesnt expect the promoter to pay them back