Is Sugar Ray Robinson overrated?

[Smash]

I can if he had seen them cause I know they would go undefeated had they fought in rays time

its hard to compare era's, not a level playing field, u fight against guys doing something similar to u i presume for the most part, training, number of fights, nutrition etc, yes athletes are getting better and faster and more professional u can see from other sports but talent is talent maybe & can be trained and molded. guys from the 80's and before in other sports are still heros to their fans, so why not before that too

[dan-b]

Sure would but these crazy idiots celebrate that as if ray fought all skilled dudes odd

Mayweather fanboys like you always have a problem with old time fighters because you think they're preventing Mayweather from having the universal adulation you think he deserves. He prioritised money over legacy but acted like he didn't - that's why people don't like him. Get over it.

[dan-b]

its hard to compare era's, not a level playing field, u fight against guys doing something similar to u i presume for the most part, training, number of fights, nutrition etc, yes athletes are getting better and faster and more professional u can see from other sports but talent is talent maybe & can be trained and molded. guys from the 80's and before in other sports are still heros to their fans, so why not before that too

Exactly, he was a product of his time. Mayweather gave himself six months to a year to prepare for his next bout and even then it often wasn't the best available opponent. Why does that make him superior to old time fighters? Because he did a shoulder roll?

[Ascended]

Oh look, some random guy on the internet claims to know Muhammad Ali's private thoughts. Amazing.

Oh look some random guy who is slow he thinks what ali said goes over video crazy idiot and ali as I said was being polite your slow

The man fought in a more advanced era you really think he seen any of those dudes skilled enough to compete in his of course not

the reason ali said that was cause of his record you crazy person so its obvious if those guys who wouldnt never struggle as ray did and would beat every opponent way faster then he did and go undefeated

Would guarantee ali would think of those dudes greater

crazy person try talking to me with some sense

[Ascended]

Mayweather fanboys like you always have a problem with old time fighters because you think they're preventing Mayweather from having the universal adulation you think he deserves. He prioritised money over legacy but acted like he didn't - that's why people don't like him. Get over it.

Your crazy find where I said anything that implied anything like that

cause I said mutiple boxers so you either have hallucinations or cant read good

[Smash]

Your really slow ali was being polite you think Ali couldn't see how basic and flawed ray was

well there were other top athletes around in rays time too, one by the name of pele, do u also think this guy was basic and flawed too?

the brazil teams of now dont even come close to those guys, i dont know about boxing participation rates back in the 50's but if they were higher than today (and its low today as a sport) then there were athletes at the top & good ones too

[Ascended]

well there were other top athletes around in rays time too, one by the name of pele, do u also think this guy was basic and flawed too?

the brazil teams of now dont even come close to those guys, i dont know about boxing participation rates back in the 50's but if they were higher than today (and its low today as a sport) then there were athletes at the top & good ones too

I dont think anything video shows these people were like I said they were and yes pale is really basic and flawed compared to 70s

nba athletes use more movement and are smoother in 70s compared to 40s in the 40s it looks horrible they are way slower and are really simple just as I explained which video shows of how boxing was it looks really simple and flawed compared to 70s-now

[buddyr]

it's amazing how fans of boxers today figthing once and twice a year to bull**** inferior competition, call a man with over about 200 fights overrated. The same fighter that fought almost 10 fights during a year in his 40s. . That **** isn't making any sense whatsoever to me. Boxers back in the day fought a LOT. There was no turning pro and getting a title shot from one of the 8 belts within 17 weight classes. ONE belt, with limited weight classes. In many cases, you have to have damn near 40 fights before even considered for a title shot. When people don't know **** about the history of something they are trying to discuss, it shows..

[Ascended]

it's amazing how fans of boxers today figthing once and twice a year to bull**** inferior competition, call a man with over about 200 fights overrated. The same fighter that fought almost 10 fights during a year in his 40s. . That **** isn't making any sense whatsoever to me. Boxers back in the day fought a LOT. There was no turning pro and getting a title shot from one of the 8 belts within 17 weight classes. ONE belt, with limited weight classes. In many cases, you have to have damn near 40 fights before even considered for a title shot. When people don't know **** about the history of something they are trying to discuss, it shows..

Your crazy and slow the reason they fought that much is cause they needed the cash and the era was full of trash idiot of course they would fight that much

Would he be able to fight all skilled boxers that much of course not his body would need to recover just like they needed since 70s no other era has fought that many times on a daily cause their fighting high comp and they fought using way more energy like your really slow as to why this needs to be explained to you when it should be obvious

Every person he fought never would make pro in 70s do you see that all your doing is bragging on a man facing unskilled fighters who never would make it to the amateurs in 70s idiot

and where did you get inferior from you crazy person the way they fight today is way more advanced then 40s

[Ascended]

Look up him vs sammy angott george cliff tony freddie valentine andy nonnels and tony ancona Dykes,same obsolete tech and flaws as the older one that fought gene/jake/joey and others

Ray and this era look to be very overextending a lot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements. They don't fight from range much,they leave themselves open a lot of times, and a lot of times they will just throw to the body and not protect themselves. The Carlos era were able to protect the body with 1 hand while punching to the body. along with all the other advances in movement, along with being way smoother in movements the ray era They use mostly counters when up close. The lateral movement is very basic. They don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly. They have to stop then punch most of the time. Their feet are mostly tiptoeing.