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    #81
    Originally posted by Cleto_Reyes
    What people forget is that boxing is not only a sport. Its entertainment and people pay to watch people go at it.
    People pay to watch two boxers showcase their skill.

    Prince Naseem Hamed was not a combo puncher. He had piss poor defense (as exposed by Kevin Kelly). He had no boxing IQ (as exposed by Barrera). Despite all of this he entertained. Even in the fight he lost he still entertained. But he goes largely not talked about since retirement because nobody remembers anything but his entrances and getting exposed by Barrera across 10.

    Chris Eubank was not a combo puncher. No head movement, no evasion, no concept of defense. But he entertained. Even in loss against Collins and Calzaghe he still entertained. Yet, all people talk about is him holding his son back. Nobody remembers how dominant he was up until he met Collins.

    Another fighter...the only fighter with a 100% knockout record - he knocked out and/or stopped every fighter he was in the ring against - half of you on this board don't know his name, and if I told you his name, you couldn't name one opponent he faced. And he KO'd a few notables. That's not a knock against you specifically, but it knocks your theory that people want "excitement". That's the myth. These are the fighters that get forgotten first, fastest.

    Two of the three most memorable fights in boxing history went the distance and were clinchfests: Rumble in the Jungle and Tyson/Holyfield.

    Ali/Frazier, a feud every boxing fan knows, was a clinchfest across the trilogy.

    Two of the fighters people call legends were clinch masters: Muhammad Ali and Grabomir Clinchko.

    Originally posted by Cleto_Reyes
    duran wanted a fight take risks that what boxing is about make it exciting!
    Wrong. Boxing is "hit and do not get hit". Not slugging. The Ruslan Provodnikov way of fighting is not the right answer. Thus why he's now a journeyman that nobody cares about and why a guy like Chris Algieri is getting the big money fights.

    You have choices. There's MMA. There you can see risk taking, excitement, knockouts, chokeouts, blood, everything. Go watch that for your fix. It's there for you.

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    • Lester Tutor
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      #82
      Originally posted by revelated
      Wrong. Boxing is "hit and do not get hit". Not slugging. The Ruslan Provodnikov way of fighting is not the right answer. Thus why he's now a journeyman that nobody cares about and why a guy like Chris Algieri is getting the big money fights.

      You have choices. There's MMA. There you can see risk taking, excitement, knockouts, chokeouts, blood, everything. Go watch that for your fix. It's there for you.
      another analogy is Ruslan could be the lion's den and then people cheer for the human in the den trying to survive and either kill or tame the lion.

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      • MDPopescu
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        #83
        ... this thread is a homage of Corneille's Horace -- who (by the use of excessive running) managed to kill Curiace and his two brothers in combat...

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        • -PBP-
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          #84
          Originally posted by revelated
          People pay to watch two boxers showcase their skill.

          Prince Naseem Hamed was not a combo puncher. He had piss poor defense (as exposed by Kevin Kelly). He had no boxing IQ (as exposed by Barrera). Despite all of this he entertained. Even in the fight he lost he still entertained. But he goes largely not talked about since retirement because nobody remembers anything but his entrances and getting exposed by Barrera across 10.

          Chris Eubank was not a combo puncher. No head movement, no evasion, no concept of defense. But he entertained. Even in loss against Collins and Calzaghe he still entertained. Yet, all people talk about is him holding his son back. Nobody remembers how dominant he was up until he met Collins.

          Another fighter...the only fighter with a 100% knockout record - he knocked out and/or stopped every fighter he was in the ring against - half of you on this board don't know his name, and if I told you his name, you couldn't name one opponent he faced. And he KO'd a few notables. That's not a knock against you specifically, but it knocks your theory that people want "excitement". That's the myth. These are the fighters that get forgotten first, fastest.

          Two of the three most memorable fights in boxing history went the distance and were clinchfests: Rumble in the Jungle and Tyson/Holyfield.

          Ali/Frazier, a feud every boxing fan knows, was a clinchfest across the trilogy.

          Two of the fighters people call legends were clinch masters: Muhammad Ali and Grabomir Clinchko.



          Wrong. Boxing is "hit and do not get hit". Not slugging. The Ruslan Provodnikov way of fighting is not the right answer. Thus why he's now a journeyman that nobody cares about and why a guy like Chris Algieri is getting the big money fights.

          You have choices. There's MMA. There you can see risk taking, excitement, knockouts, chokeouts, blood, everything. Go watch that for your fix. It's there for you.
          Wow. Green k. You are straight bodying dudes on this forum right now. Keep it up.

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          • Ham Porter
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            #85
            Originally posted by revelated
            People pay to watch two boxers showcase their skill.

            Prince Naseem Hamed was not a combo puncher. He had piss poor defense (as exposed by Kevin Kelly). He had no boxing IQ (as exposed by Barrera). Despite all of this he entertained. Even in the fight he lost he still entertained. But he goes largely not talked about since retirement because nobody remembers anything but his entrances and getting exposed by Barrera across 10.

            Chris Eubank was not a combo puncher. No head movement, no evasion, no concept of defense. But he entertained. Even in loss against Collins and Calzaghe he still entertained. Yet, all people talk about is him holding his son back. Nobody remembers how dominant he was up until he met Collins.

            Another fighter...the only fighter with a 100% knockout record - he knocked out and/or stopped every fighter he was in the ring against - half of you on this board don't know his name, and if I told you his name, you couldn't name one opponent he faced. And he KO'd a few notables. That's not a knock against you specifically, but it knocks your theory that people want "excitement". That's the myth. These are the fighters that get forgotten first, fastest.

            Two of the three most memorable fights in boxing history went the distance and were clinchfests: Rumble in the Jungle and Tyson/Holyfield.

            Ali/Frazier, a feud every boxing fan knows, was a clinchfest across the trilogy.

            Two of the fighters people call legends were clinch masters: Muhammad Ali and Grabomir Clinchko.



            Wrong. Boxing is "hit and do not get hit". Not slugging. The Ruslan Provodnikov way of fighting is not the right answer. Thus why he's now a journeyman that nobody cares about and why a guy like Chris Algieri is getting the big money fights.

            You have choices. There's MMA. There you can see risk taking, excitement, knockouts, chokeouts, blood, everything. Go watch that for your fix. It's there for you.

            Chris Eubank Jr is as well known and talked about as he is because of his father, you dolt. If anyone beyond the typical boxing audience knows who his son is, it's entirely down to who his father is. And LOL @ Eubank Sr not being evasive. You clearly have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.

            And Hamed is more talked about, more remembered than just about any boxer from the last 25 years, both in boxing circles and beyond - and that's despite having been retired for 14 years and having kept a low profile since.

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            • brettWall
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              #86
              I can tolerate running, but not excessive clinching. Clinching is only fine when a fighter is about to go down or in a wobbled state. That's understandable. Excessive clinching should be protested massively. Disqualification should be automatic. If the ref can't do his job of implementing the rules he should never again get near a ring.

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              • Cleto_Reyes
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                #87
                Originally posted by revelated
                People pay to watch two boxers showcase their skill.

                Prince Naseem Hamed was not a combo puncher. He had piss poor defense (as exposed by Kevin Kelly). He had no boxing IQ (as exposed by Barrera). Despite all of this he entertained. Even in the fight he lost he still entertained. But he goes largely not talked about since retirement because nobody remembers anything but his entrances and getting exposed by Barrera across 10.

                Chris Eubank was not a combo puncher. No head movement, no evasion, no concept of defense. But he entertained. Even in loss against Collins and Calzaghe he still entertained. Yet, all people talk about is him holding his son back. Nobody remembers how dominant he was up until he met Collins.

                Another fighter...the only fighter with a 100% knockout record - he knocked out and/or stopped every fighter he was in the ring against - half of you on this board don't know his name, and if I told you his name, you couldn't name one opponent he faced. And he KO'd a few notables. That's not a knock against you specifically, but it knocks your theory that people want "excitement". That's the myth. These are the fighters that get forgotten first, fastest.

                Two of the three most memorable fights in boxing history went the distance and were clinchfests: Rumble in the Jungle and Tyson/Holyfield.

                Ali/Frazier, a feud every boxing fan knows, was a clinchfest across the trilogy.

                Two of the fighters people call legends were clinch masters: Muhammad Ali and Grabomir Clinchko.



                Wrong. Boxing is "hit and do not get hit". Not slugging. The Ruslan Provodnikov way of fighting is not the right answer. Thus why he's now a journeyman that nobody cares about and why a guy like Chris Algieri is getting the big money fights.

                You have choices. There's MMA. There you can see risk taking, excitement, knockouts, chokeouts, blood, everything. Go watch that for your fix. It's there for you.

                if that the case Rigo would be a big name but he got booed. Does he have skill? he sure does but boring as hell nobody wants to see him fight anymore. Homie cant land a fight for nothing . you can have skill and take some risks. Juan manuel marquez has top notch skill and hes not afraid to take chances here and there hes a warrior. Majority of people want to see action not 2 dude dances around the ring like its a sparring session or exhibition .

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                • Boxfan7819
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                  #88
                  If you dont mind buying ppv to watch a fighter who back peddles most of the fight and excessively hugs and clinches... but that style is something I will never be a fan of

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by -PBP-
                    Wow. Green k. You are straight bodying dudes on this forum right now. Keep it up.
                    Dude has a high body count in this thread lol.....got eeeerrm

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                    • SUBZER0ED
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by revelated
                      Quite a few people are hypocrites. Cases-in-point:



                      Mayweather/Alvarez. Floyd was right there tagging him all night long. Floyd's inside game is NOT lacking and has not. He simply chooses not to fight that way when it doesn't suit him. That's called Boxing IQ.



                      Victor Ortiz, is that you?



                      An average of once per round. Compared to Grabomir Clinchko, a guy people call an ATG, who did WAY worse. Come on man.



                      That's called Boxing IQ. Fighting smart.

                      If your opponent is training for a southpaw, you fight orthodox to throw them off (Marvin Hagler did this). If your opponent is a come forward power KO artist you outbox them (Hamed/Barrera, Hearns/Duran). If your opponent is a speed demon you nullify with the jab and body shots.



                      So what you're saying is that Sugar Ray Leonard ran against Roberto Duran in the rematch? Or did he just outsmart him to the point of frustration?

                      The jab is a valid, valuable punch. Every trainer worth their stuff will tell you that the jab is key to winning fights. Fighters who don't jab, lose.



                      Nope. That's wearing your opponent down legally. Unlike Grabomir who will just lean on you.



                      Here's a video that showcases what I saw during MayPac. I didn't find it boring. I found it enlightening on how good Floyd really was that night WITHOUT trying hard. People are jaded because of rounds 4 and 6. But across 12 Money Mayweather was a thing of excellence. Right in front of him all night long except 12 but nullified Pacquiao's predictable combo flurry setup. (Mute your audio)






                      The point is to win the fight, no matter how. You've been misled.



                      Go back and watch Mayweather/Berto. If you call that "running", Roger Mayweather's got something for you.
                      Originally posted by Dosumpthin
                      Wow. You destroyed 6 different people in one post.
                      Damn.
                      I enjoyed the fight as well.

                      Only thing I disagree with is you said to mute the audio. That sound track was perfect for the video.
                      Expressing a clearly biased opinion about the fighter you favor isn't destroying anyone. Also, showing a video that only showcases one side of the story is inaccurate. It just proves that Mayweather can do no wrong in your eyes. His style bores me to tears & I'm glad he's retired.
                      Last edited by SUBZER0ED; 03-21-2016, 12:27 PM.

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