Why was Fernando Vargas never the same fighter after the Felix Trinidad loss? Can...

[A-Wolf]

You guys, wasn't the low blow from Trinidad just a veteran move?

On a similar note, did either one of you lose respect for Danny Garcia? He was also throwing low blows against Lucas Matthysse. Garcia had veteran boxer Bernard "The Alien" Hopkins teaching him veteran tactics like the not-so-accidental headbutt, holding, and the low blow (probably not that one). Thoughts?

Only if you're a desperate, villainous veteran. Hopkins, since you mention him, was good enough to throw low blows when he was winning fights. That's art.

I can't recall Matthysse doubled over, writhing on the canvas the way Vargas was against Trinidad or Judah against Cotto. Are you sure they had major influence on the outcome?

[Willy Wanker]

You guys, wasn't the low blow from Trinidad just a veteran move?

On a similar note, did either one of you lose respect for Danny Garcia? He was also throwing low blows against Lucas Matthysse. Garcia had veteran boxer Bernard "The Alien" Hopkins teaching him veteran tactics like the not-so-accidental headbutt, holding, and the low blow (probably not that one). Thoughts?

I actually didn't lose respect for Garcia because I never had respect for him to begin with.

But all jokes aside, Garcia wasn't in any real danger against Matthysse. He pretty much controlled the fight and didn't almost KO Mattysse with a low blow like Tito did to Vargas. And I don't recall Hopkins ever getting badly hurt and resorting to fouls. He just fouls all the time, win or lose.

Trinidad basically uppercutted Vargas' balls blatantly to prevent getting stopped.

[Luilun]

Why was Fernando Vargas never the same fighter after the Felix Trinidad loss? Can you explain specific reasons what happened to him? What the hell do you think happened to him?

Probably had damage to his Vestibular system which made him a China Chin afterwards Them Cast Wraps can cause severe damage

[-MAKAVELLI-]

one of my favorite fights of all time...loved watching Tito beat the **** out of Vargas

[sugar ray lenrd]

I think that's kinda ****ty that you're trying to diminish Trinadad's accomplishments as a fighter. What are we going to start questioning every great fighters wins....Ok How about Julio Cesar Chavez,Sr win over Mederick Taylors by 12 rnd tko, Did you see how busted up Taylors face looked? could that have been plastered, how about Aaron Pryor's win over Arguello? remember the black bottle supposedly used by pryor's trainer Panama lewis? The fact is that Trinidad caught Vargas with a lightning fast left hook that almost decapitated Vargas ****y head off.Vargas institgated that left hook by dropping & keeping his hand hands to in front of him and everybody in boxing knows that is a no-no against a puncher. Vargas is a warrior he did come back rnds 4 & 5. Yes Trinidad did low blow him but so did Vargas & he did good partly because he thumbed Tito in the eye. Did your forget about that one? and that my friend was intentional. Oh if you ever been in the ring , you would know that it is very easy to thumb someone intentional. But this was a 12 rnd fight & Tito just put it on him and knocked him out!...Yes he did.
Come on quit the sour g****s...it was a great fight.

[Chuckguy]

I talked to Vargas on my recent trip to Vegas about his fight with Tito. He told me that Tito's punches felt like baseball bats and that it was really suspect. Said he only remembers fragments of the fight. He also recalls Tito's people DENYING Vargas team to check his hand wrapping before the fight. I plan on going to Vegas this year again and hopefully I'll record it. It was a very interesting conversation, dude is cool as ****.

Yeah that's why Garcia Sr. was there watching them wrapping his hands. ****** fat az Vargas
Pinche paquita la del barrio!
Pathetic loser.

[Chuckguy]

one of my favorite fights of all time...loved watching Tito beat the **** out of Vargas

Amen to that bro!
Fawk Vargas steroid using cheating fawking ******!
He gets caught cheating and everyone give him a fawking pass??? Really??

[onetwopunch]

Vargas vs Tito, that fight should have been stopped earlier, He survived the 1st round and came back, but after the 3rd knockdown..in the 11th the ref should of stopped it. Vargas was getting beaten to a pulp. There was no need for him to take the extra punishment.

- And for those who keep insisting on Tito having loaded gloves I am assuming they are saying this because of the Bhop fight. Just keep this in mind if the bhop fight would have taken place in Vegas or some othe venew that wasnt NYC, there would be no talk of loaded gloves..He did not have loaded gloves, it was the way they wrapped his hands. Its illegal in according to the NYS boxing commision. He didnt have anything foreign in his wraps.

[Zaryu]

Trinidad took the undefeated record of a very proud young fighter in a Mexico vs PR rivalry classic. His confidence was chattered, and after that Vargas went on to deal with weight issues and injuries that took away from what should have been his best years.

[PeasantCrusha]

Man... Watch Mike Tyson got low blowed from a HW, shrug that shyt off and STILL knock a muthafcka out.

Dudes act like Abner Mares didn't land 30 low blows in ONE fight.

What was Vargas excuse for almost dying in ROUND ONE? No LOW blows...

Bottom line, Vargas got snuffed and his chin was not build for Tito's power.

Tito ALWAYS had flash knockdowns...Look at Tito's eyes... CLEAR. And coming for the kill now.

FCK outta here thinking Vargas could EVER beat Tito.