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Originally posted by screwhead1 View PostDoesn't make him one dimensional but it does make him readable. He doesn't follow some of the most basic fundamentals of boxing defense and that's why he gets outboxed. The guy can't guard against the right hand (something I blame roach for, and his head movement is non-existed. If you can reach for him, you can hit him. This doesn't define all of his style, just some of the obvious one dimensional part.
Pac commanded the center of the ring and threw more punches than floyd and even pushed Floyd back to the ropes over and over for 12 rounds. As Floyd hugged and ran excessively. Translation - he got out boxed by Floyd.
What in the world is this fans taking. I want some of it.Last edited by Spoon23; 03-16-2016, 07:38 PM.
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Originally posted by SilverMiles View PostHe hasn't been since the Margarito fight. That fight took a lot of him physically and mentally.
Alls pac did was punch the **** out the guy all night. Easy fight for pac.
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Originally posted by Reloaded View PostTakes a lot out you beating up a CWed sloth in a 26 ft ring .
Truth is Manny has not been the same since his lowering CWs of opponents stopped , instead of draining bigger guys he then brought smaller guys up and got KOed , and I wonder where Toradol fits into Mannys run from Diaz to Floyd .
Mannys WW run was man made to order .
His WW run was crap.. Where was Ariza when PAC needed him...
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Originally posted by SilverMiles View PostHe hasn't been since the Margarito fight. That fight took a lot of him physically and mentally.
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Originally posted by aboutfkntime View PostNo version of Manny would have beaten Mayweather.
If the fight had happened 6 years ago, simply because Manny wasn't nearly as defensively proficient, by his trainer's own admission, there would have been no UD victory for either.
However, Manny was, as has been noted, way more offensively proficient. He would punch and pivot, he would feint and throw, and he would connect shots I didn't even think he'd land. That Manny would have been able to use offense in a way Floyd had never seen before, and I firmly believe would have taken later rounds to a SD victory.
The only reason the judges in MayPac didn't give it to Manny is because he didn't show up. He was inactive. His punch output was a joke except rounds 4 and 6. Blame Ariza if you must, but this fact cannot be understated.
Even if Manny had thrown 1,000 punches and missed the same percentage, I still believe they'd have given him the SD simply because of activity and aggression.
Originally posted by aboutfkntime View PostFloyd was always going to be a horrible style matchup for Pac, only Roach and pacfans really thought he had much of a chance. Even Arum knew what was up.
To me MayPac was a mirror image of Pacquiao/Clottey in terms of what "The other fighter" was doing. Pacquiao took a UD in that fight despite hardly hurting Clottey and despite Clottey causing facial damage on Pacquiao. Why? Pacquiao almost never stopped throwing punches. He tried. He showed up.
Originally posted by aboutfkntime View PostHe has always been predominantly flat-footed, more puncher than boxer.
Pacquiao/Marquez 3, Pacquiao/Barrera, Pacquiao/Morales 2 or 3, Pacquiao/Rios, Pacquiao/De La Hoya, Pacquiao/Margarito. Pacquiao USED to punch on the move all the time.
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Originally posted by hectari View PostPacquiao is like every other speed demon who relies on physical attributes they age quickly usually early 30s, he has been fighting on fumes for years now, he has been past it since the Margarito fight, I remember in the Clottey fight even though he threw a record number of punches, Lou Dibella said that Pacquiao was aging and he saw him slowing down right after the fight that was years ago.
Bradley even said when he first fought Manny he was much faster and snappier with his shots, in the rematch he said Pac was slower and hesitant, and didn't commit to shots, he said he was able to find him more as opposed to the first fight when both guys were basically very quick and avoiding and slipping shots when they mixed it up.
Both Bradley and Manny are at the same stage of their careers, both slower, both vulnerable, only difference is Bradley still has the desire and hunger to compete, While Pac has said for the past several years he is already content with his achievements in boxing, whenever a boxer says that and they continue fighting they are only fighting for a Check, because it means they have nothing else to prove so he is only fighting for Money now.
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Originally posted by aboutfkntime View PostI don't see this drop-off in Pac at all, other than in his punch output, and the fact that he looks fatigued at the end of his fights now.
All this " been done since Margarito " stuff is just fan talk I think.
He looked real sharp against Mosley..... oh, until Shane decided to move.
In the fights with Marquez he had the same problems hes always had.
In the Bradley fights he either looked good, or he didn't, depending on what Tim was doing.
And the common problem in all of those fights, was badly exposed for the whole world to see against Mayweather, but they were always there.
Other than his punch output, I don't see this significant drop-off at all.
He looked great against Rios and Algieri, because they were available, just like Margarito.
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