Comments Thread For: Roach: Pacquiao is Not The Same Guy Who Fought Hatton

[Combat Talk Radio]

That is a ridiculous excuse really.

Pac did not " show up " because his punch output plummeted..... and his punch output plummeted for the exact same reason why every other Mayweather opponent suffered a massive drop in punch output.

Because of Mayweather's boxing IQ/accuracy/and timing.

Most insiders picked Mayweather even back in 09', because of his technical accuracy and length advantage.

That fight was always going to be a boxing match, no matter what version of Pacquiao showed up..... and Pacquiao will not outbox Mayweather.

Manny had to turn that boxing match into a fight, and nobody ever managed to explain to me how his 5'6" ass was going to close the distance on Floyd, even back then.

Fact remains. Look at every Pacquiao fight even the ones he didn't do much in but was heavily active (Clottey is a good one).

Clottey was HURTING Pacquiao. But Pacquiao was busier. Result? Pacquiao.

Marquez 1-3. Pacquiao was busier in all three fights despite Marquez causing more damage in counters.

Pacquiao was busier against Mosley. Busier against De La Hoya. Busier against Cotto.

If you're a fighter known for high punch output the judges will give you the nod. We've seen it every time. The only time we don't see it is when the one on the receiving end is so effective at nullifying it as to make it a joke. Thus, MayPac.

In the first chino fight, Mayweather selected him because he thought chino was a flat-footed punching bag..... Floyd saw chino as a over-rated "look-good" opponent..... that is why Mayweather fought him flat-footed.

Chino put on a great performance and really took it to Mayweather.

In the rematch, Mayweather boxed him, and we all saw what happened.

And he fought Cotto a similar way for a large part of their fight.

Go re-watch, and check out Mayweather's feet.

Your logic doesn't make sense. If Floyd wanted to prove the flat-footed theory he'd have boxed him in the first fight.

DO you know why Floyd fought the way he did? Two reasons.

One, he was dealing with some nonsense over Miss Jackson. That was in his head, you could see it in his eyes.

Two, Maidana had just schooled Adrien Broner. Floyd was proving a point to Broner more than anything else: you're not as good as you think you are trying to go toe-to-toe against somebody and getting knocked down much less losing. Floyd fought the same way Broner did yet came out on top against the same opponent. That's why Floyd Sr. was ragging on Broner after the loss. It was a game.

The rematch happened because Floyd said, "now let me show you how you REALLY should fight dudes like this". Corrected the ref situation and got a ref that wasn't going to let Chino cheat. The result? UD.

I think posters here forgot Floyd's least punch output of his career was fighting Manny. The funny thing is, it was even padded by the rigged compubox that has been proven biased for him lol

Floyd didn't need to throw any more than that. Manny was domesticated. Every time Floyd DID throw, Manny backed off. When's the last time you saw Pacquiao do that?

Clearly Floyd's got something behind the shot.

[aboutfkntime]

Fact remains. Look at every Pacquiao fight even the ones he didn't do much in but was heavily active (Clottey is a good one).

Clottey was HURTING Pacquiao. But Pacquiao was busier. Result? Pacquiao.

Marquez 1-3. Pacquiao was busier in all three fights despite Marquez causing more damage in counters.

Pacquiao was busier against Mosley. Busier against De La Hoya. Busier against Cotto.

If you're a fighter known for high punch output the judges will give you the nod. We've seen it every time. The only time we don't see it is when the one on the receiving end is so effective at nullifying it as to make it a joke. Thus, MayPac.

Your logic doesn't make sense. If Floyd wanted to prove the flat-footed theory he'd have boxed him in the first fight.

DO you know why Floyd fought the way he did? Two reasons.

One, he was dealing with some nonsense over Miss Jackson. That was in his head, you could see it in his eyes.

Two, Maidana had just schooled Adrien Broner. Floyd was proving a point to Broner more than anything else: you're not as good as you think you are trying to go toe-to-toe against somebody and getting knocked down much less losing. Floyd fought the same way Broner did yet came out on top against the same opponent. That's why Floyd Sr. was ragging on Broner after the loss. It was a game.

The rematch happened because Floyd said, "now let me show you how you REALLY should fight dudes like this". Corrected the ref situation and got a ref that wasn't going to let Chino cheat. The result? UD.

Floyd didn't need to throw any more than that. Manny was domesticated. Every time Floyd DID throw, Manny backed off. When's the last time you saw Pacquiao do that?

Clearly Floyd's got something behind the shot.

Don't be ridiculous, the Clottey fight was fixed.

That was a sparring match..... a sparring match where Clottey could hit Manny at will..... and whenever Clottey hit Pac he hurt him and backed him up...... and yet, Clottey decided not to

The 6th round was it, when Clottey had Pac on the ropes and yet for some inexplicable reason he backed into the middle of the ring, motioned Pac forward, then gloved-up so that Pac could "****-****-****" again..... was sooooo considerate

Clottey then got paid an unheard of $1mil " performance bonus ", for completely under-performing..... never to be seen or heard from again LMAO

You will never understand boxing by only watching 1 of the fighters

Since when do Top Rank pay their fighters a performance bonus ?

Since when do Top Rank pay their fighters a performance bonus, for completely under-performing?

Smarten up man.

Mayweather cherry-picked the limited punching-bag Maidana as a "look-good" opponent, which is why he fought him flat-footed.

Learn the sport.

[Tobi.G]

What fk's the " badly faded " myth, are Pac's performances against Algieri and Rios.


" unavailable " = not so great

" available " = wow, suddenly we are right back on track again

Even in those fights it was not the good old Manny. If you dont see he has faded you are blind.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Don't be ridiculous, the Clottey fight was fixed.

Maybe. But there's no proof.

Clottey then got paid an unheard of $1mil " performance bonus ", for completely under-performing..... never to be seen or heard from again LMAO

He was off for a year and then fought again. Winning, I might add.

Mayweather cherry-picked the limited punching-bag Maidana as a "look-good" opponent, which is why he fought him flat-footed.

You still haven't explained why Mayweather would not do so in one fight rather than do it in two, since most people didn't want to see the Maidana fight or the rematch anyway. Doesn't seem like smart business.

However, if you acknowledge my theory - that he was "teaching" little bro Broner - then it makes all the sense in the world.

[aboutfkntime]

Even in those fights it was not the good old Manny. If you dont see he has faded you are blind.

The " old " Manny, used to throw 1000+ punches, this one doesn't.

Obviously the 1000+ punch Manny was more effective.

Explain to me exactly how he has faded.

[aboutfkntime]

Maybe. But there's no proof.



He was off for a year and then fought again. Winning, I might add.



You still haven't explained why Mayweather would not do so in one fight rather than do it in two, since most people didn't want to see the Maidana fight or the rematch anyway. Doesn't seem like smart business.

However, if you acknowledge my theory - that he was "teaching" little bro Broner - then it makes all the sense in the world.

I have explained EXACTLY what happened.

In the first chino fight, Mayweather selected him because he thought chino was a flat-footed punching bag..... Floyd saw chino as a over-rated "look-good" opponent..... that is why Mayweather fought him flat-footed.

Chino put on a great performance and really took it to Mayweather.

The ******-element called that a win for Maidana, and said that Floyd would not have the balls to fight him again..... so Mayweather decided to go technical on his ass.

It is what it is.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I have explained EXACTLY what happened.

In the first chino fight, Mayweather selected him because he thought chino was a flat-footed punching bag..... Floyd saw chino as a over-rated "look-good" opponent..... that is why Mayweather fought him flat-footed.

Chino put on a great performance and really took it to Mayweather.

The ******-element called that a win for Maidana, and said that Floyd would not have the balls to fight him again..... so Mayweather decided to go technical on his ass.

It is what it is.

That's not how Floyd thinks and you know it. If he was going to face someone flat footed, he'd box them. See Mayweather/Alvarez.

[aboutfkntime]

That's not how Floyd thinks and you know it. If he was going to face someone flat footed, he'd box them. See Mayweather/Alvarez.

Nope, if Mayweather was going to face someone flat footed, WHO WAS GOOD, then he would box.

He selected Maidana as a " look-good " opponent, so he could be more offensive.

And he fought Cotto very similar.

It was only you casual fans who painted Maidana up as a killer.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Nope, if Mayweather was going to face someone flat footed, WHO WAS GOOD, then he would box.

He selected Maidana as a " look-good " opponent, so he could be more offensive.

And he fought Cotto very similar.

It was only you casual fans who painted Maidana up as a killer.

I didn't think Maidana was a killer at all, but Maidana was at the time an unknown for Floyd. Being able to connect on, much less knock down, Adrien Broner is no small feat dude. We knew Floyd had a good chin, but it was certainly on display against Maidana. Especially in the rematch when Chino nailed him flush at the end of the round and Floyd shook it off.

If Floyd really only wanted a "Look good" opponent, he'd have selected Amir Khan. Way more money, way easier fight, less risk and the high chance of a knockout.

He had none of that against Chino. Your logic doesn't make sense.

[aboutfkntime]

I didn't think Maidana was a killer at all, but Maidana was at the time an unknown for Floyd. Being able to connect on, much less knock down, Adrien Broner is no small feat dude. We knew Floyd had a good chin, but it was certainly on display against Maidana. Especially in the rematch when Chino nailed him flush at the end of the round and Floyd shook it off.

No he wasn't.

Mayweather took 1 look at him, and knew exactly what he was.

You need to understand about boxing styles.

Maidana's style is made to order for a pure boxer.

If Floyd really only wanted a "Look good" opponent, he'd have selected Amir Khan. Way more money, way easier fight, less risk and the high chance of a knockout.

He had none of that against Chino. Your logic doesn't make sense.

Nope, Maidana's style is made to order for a pure boxer.

That is why Khan beat him, and also why Alexander cleaned him up.

And, that is why Broner struggled with his more confrontational style.

Maidana put on a very spirited performance against a guy who was fighting to his style...... no point in seeing more than there is.

Khan is a better fighter than Maidana, and would be a better test stylistically for Mayweather.