Oscar De La Hoya "negotiations are complicated because gg thinks hes a superstar"

[The Big Dunn]

Idk waht the terms of canelos contract are or how long but maybe it's almost up? Canelo can go back to Showtime or he can just fight on ppv with out HBO

I get why they wouldn't do it, but they very easily can. HBO wants to delay as long as possible.

[OnePunch]

Canelo recently said in a interview that he's thinking about moving back down to 154. Which seems very likely. And gg will have wasted his time

how will he have "wasted his time"? Its not like he passed on any other viable opportunities in the meantime. He could either wait while collecting step aside fees, or wait without collecting any fees. Either way he's stuck waiting for a high profile opponent......

[OnePunch]

WHy are you acting like I am discrediting him? I posted that he didn't win the title in the ring and that is a fact.

The better question is why do GGG fans give him credit as if he won it in the ring?

well neither did thurman, but I cant recall you having an opinion about that one way or the other......

[aldo5408]

how will he have "wasted his time"? Its not like he passed on any other viable opportunities in the meantime. He could either wait while collecting step aside fees, or wait without collecting any fees. Either way he's stuck waiting for a high profile opponent......

Because loefler keeps saying that all gg wants is the wbc title. If Canelo drops the title after the Khan fight then it goes to gg. And I know it's only a few More months to wait but still hes been the mandatory for quite a while

[bigdunny1]

Point is only one of these fighters is a liar. And that's GGG. He's the fool who is on record and called out fighters in 2 separate weight classes outside his own and saying he can make 154 to fight Floyd/Manny and that he was willing to fight at 168 against Chavez and others. But when it came time to actually make a fight at 155 (one pound higher) he refuses and says 160 or no fight. When it comes to Ward saying ok I'll fight you at 168 all a sudden no I will fight everyone else at 168 but you I'm the A side so the fight only happens at catchweight 164. He's either a flat out liar or hypocrite you choose. Meanwhile Canelo has NEVER fought at 160 and never fought a 160lb fighter. And never called out guys at 160 and said he is fighting at 160. Only reason he has a belt at 160 is because Cotto won it by catchweight and then insisted on keeping it purely for negotiation leverage to get more money in the Canelo fight. Canelo don't care about that belt and says he can still make 154 if he needs to for a title fight and makes 155 easily. The only time he responded to GGG he said I'll fight but it will be at my weight. He's the bigger star and if GGG wants to fight him he's not going to fight at 160 just because GGG who is a nobody compared to him says so. And stop trying to scream about the sanctity of these belts when a year ago GGG was ready to move to 168 and over 2 years now has given step asides rather then force guys to either fight or get stripped. Why? Because the belt don't mean jack and I don't care about anymore lies out of the GGG camp saying otherwise. That camp have been caught in too many lies already and their actions prove they don't care about the belt.

This is about trying to make a big fight with Canelo and that only happens with them conceding to demands. Just like Canelo had to do it to make fights with Floyd and Cotto and millions of other fighters in history. If he doesn't want to go to a catchweight for Canelo/Cotto or anyone else and values a worthless belt then tell him to stop calling them out and just force a purse bid and get them stripped. He let this drag on for years because he could give a **** @ss about the belt and doesn't want to force a purse bid because he knows these guys will throw the belt in the trash because they fight who and where they want and not because a alpha belt org tells them.

[The Big Dunn]

well neither did thurman, but I cant recall you having an opinion about that one way or the other......

You, nor anyone else, posted that Thurman won his title in the ring like you did regarding GGG. As such, there was no need for me to correct an incorrect post by reminding you that GGG was awarded his belt.

It isn't an opinion that GGG didn't win his title in the ring but a fact.

as for my question-why do GGG fans give him credit as if he won it in the ring? Can you shed any light on this?

[IronDanHamza]

Nope. It's not just that fans are stating 'matter of fact' type responses, they are literally cheerleading and defending all of this "A-Side" boxing mentality, made up weight classes, hypocrisy, etc. We are in an era where so called boxing fans are more interested in purse splits and PPV buys then the actual fights; people literally saying they wouldn't want to see so and so fight eachother unless so and so gets X amount of dollars! I can't think of any other sport where this occurs, it's outright embarrassing.

Yes, of course bigger name fighters in boxing have always called more of the shots, that goes without saying. But it's never been to the point it is now where there are 17 weight classes and literally guys fight in their own made up weight classes between the already ridiculous amount of divisions with the lineal belt demanding all challengers including mandatories must fight inside of these invented weight classes! It's absurd.

The whole "A-side" boxing mentality is at the worst point I've seen in the ~30 years of watching the sport. It's practically destroying the sport from the inside out where almost every decent sized fight boils down to this mentality (I mean we have guys like Leo Santa Cruz asking for $3m+ to fight a good opponent and even Carl Frampton-Quigg being threatened to be called off due to which locker rooms to use because "I'm the A-Side!"). Boxing has always had prima donnas and the sport has seen plenty of big fights fail to materialize due to money, but this was usually more of a rare occurrence where maybe once in a while a Bowe vs Lewis wouldn't get made or whatever, but it's spilled over to these second rate "stars" who barely even have fanbases claiming they are "A-side" against other second rate stars so no good fights are being made at all. We have a handful, maybe 10 fights a year if we're lucky that are legit, actual great fights that the fans actually want. That's it (probably more like 5). Just review fights made in say, 2005 or 2006 for example compared to 2015. Such a sharp decline in just 10 years (obviously go back to around 1995 and it almost seems like an alternate universe how good fights were made on a regular basis).



It's not even relevant at this point since this is a mandatory situation between two middleweight title holders, in a middleweight unification fight (3 middleweight belts, 4 including the Ring) which obviously are entirely different circumstances from a 2-3 years ago when he said he would fight Mayweather at 154 and only Mayweather at 154 if given the chance (i.e Andre Ward said he would fight Floyd at 160, Hopkins said he would fight Floyd at 160, etc etc etc but we would never hold these guys to fight anyone else at 160 or whatever the claims were).

People do hold Ward to that statment when Golovkin made the demand of 164.

I thought Golovkin said he'd fight any of the big money guys at 154 (Cotto, Canelo, Floyd, Pacquaio) but then again their team changes their mind on these kind of things all the time so who knows.

I agree with what you're saying for the most part but if I was Golovkin and I was sure I could make 154 and all of his fans say he's a small MW who can easily make 154 then I would just fight Canelo at 155. I'd rather see the fight at 155 than not at all.

[bigdunny1]

What if golovkin ends up being even better at 155 and absolutely destroys canelo. Will people be ok with GGG demanding everyone else to come down to his weight. The money i can live with just not the weight it opens a window for every champ to do that

Open the window? Floyd did this for 2 years straight holding a belt he won at 152 but defended it at 147. How many championship fights did Manny win and defend at catchweights? Oscar and Hopkins was a unify championship fight at a catchweight despite both officially being 160lb world champs. NONE of this is new. Just the GGG fanboys crying about it but they were totally fine defending GGG's point of view when he enforced a catchweight on Ward for no other reason then I am the A side and this weight is to my advantage so I'm not budging. If GGG wants the belt he could of had the belt years ago, could of had it back in Dec all he has to do is stop taking step asides and allowing voluntary defenses. Nobody is demanding he take a catchweight to get the belt. Frankly he doesn't have to he can deny that and push for a purse bid and force these guys to vacate and he is awarded the belt. But if he wants a fight with Canelo it's at his weight just like if you want to fight Floyd or Manny it's at the weight/demands.

[ИATAS]

Point is only one of these fighters is a liar. And that's GGG. He's the fool who is on record and called out fighters in 2 separate weight classes outside his own and saying he can make 154 to fight Floyd/Manny and that he was willing to fight at 168 against Chavez and others. But when it came time to actually make a fight at 155 (one pound higher) he refuses and says 160 or no fight. When it comes to Ward saying ok I'll fight you at 168 all a sudden no I will fight everyone else at 168 but you I'm the A side so the fight only happens at catchweight 164. He's either a flat out liar or hypocrite you choose. Meanwhile Canelo has NEVER fought at 160 and never fought a 160lb fighter. And never called out guys at 160 and said he is fighting at 160. Only reason he has a belt at 160 is because Cotto won it by catchweight and then insisted on keeping it purely for negotiation leverage to get more money in the Canelo fight. Canelo don't care about that belt and says he can still make 154 if he needs to for a title fight and makes 155 easily. The only time he responded to GGG he said I'll fight but it will be at my weight. He's the bigger star and if GGG wants to fight him he's not going to fight at 160 just because GGG who is a nobody compared to him says so. And stop trying to scream about the sanctity of these belts when a year ago GGG was ready to move to 168 and over 2 years now has given step asides rather then force guys to either fight or get stripped. Why? Because the belt don't mean jack and I don't care about anymore lies out of the GGG camp saying otherwise. That camp have been caught in too many lies already and their actions prove they don't care about the belt.

This is about trying to make a big fight with Canelo and that only happens with them conceding to demands. Just like Canelo had to do it to make fights with Floyd and Cotto and millions of other fighters in history. If he doesn't want to go to a catchweight for Canelo/Cotto or anyone else and values a worthless belt then tell him to stop calling them out and just force a purse bid and get them stripped. He let this drag on for years because he could give a **** @ss about the belt and doesn't want to force a purse bid because he knows these guys will throw the belt in the trash because they fight who and where they want and not because a alpha belt org tells them.

You're just full of misinformation. Few quick points:

1). Canelo IS middleweight champion. 155 pounds IS middleweight (anything over 155-160 is the middleweight division, obviously).

2). Golovkin IS mandatory to Canelo's middleweight title. They are both middleweight champions in the same middleweight division.

3). Golovkin never rejected a fight at 155 pounds. Canelo has NEVER offered a fight to Golovkin. The only thing Golden Boy/Canelo have negotiated with K2/GGG at this point was an extension on the mandatory fight.

4). Golovkin in fact offered to fight Andre Ward a couple years ago at 168 pounds. Ward rejected the fight. This is a fact. Later, after Golovkin signed to fight Lemieux, Ward contacted K2 about a potential fight. Ward wanted to sign some kind of deal for about 16-18 months away to fight at the end of 2016. Obviously K2, being that they are in much difference circumstances now versus a couple years ago (in a mandatory to Canelo's WBC/Lineal belts), they aren't currently interested in going to 168.

5). Surely K2/GGG would be more than happy to work out some sort of deal at 157/158 pounds, the problem here is if Golden Boy/Canelo actually want to make the fight or if they just want to keep creating roadblocks because they don't want the fight.

[ИATAS]

People do hold Ward to that statment when Golovkin made the demand of 164.

I thought Golovkin said he'd fight any of the big money guys at 154 (Cotto, Canelo, Floyd, Pacquaio) but then again their team changes their mind on these kind of things all the time so who knows.

I agree with what you're saying for the most part but if I was Golovkin and I was sure I could make 154 and all of his fans say he's a small MW who can easily make 154 then I would just fight Canelo at 155. I'd rather see the fight at 155 than not at all.

Personally I don't think he's a small middleweight; I think he's a plain old middleweight (not small, not big, just middleweight). Its really impossible for us to know if he can make 155 perfectly fine or not, I mean saying you'll fight Mayweather there is one thing, actually doing it is another thing entirely. Obviously his team, mostly Sanchez, have spit out a lot of hyperbole over the years, but all we can do as fans is look at the facts (Golovkin has never weighed 155 pounds as a pro).