Why do Floyd fans says the IV infusion was not illegal?

[Robbie Barrett]

nope, genius floyd fans are!

they are raving mad LOL

You've had your skirt lifted and a good old spanking in this thread. Crawl back to the other thread where you and spoon can lick each others wounds.

[Real King Kong]

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[doom_specialist]

Why would USADA put forth stuff you have to comply but no really we were just joking Floyd you don't have to comply.

it took Floyd 19 days to apply for the TUE!

why not a month or a year or don't have to.

why 19 days after the fight and it was just application.

the are not sure if it will be granted or not.

what if it was not granted?

would you still stand by your word that Floyd does not have to comply?

A USADA official was present when Mayweather had the IV, and he notified them before he took the IV. If there was a chance that it would not be approved, I'm sure he would not have taken it. That said, it makes no difference because USADA was not the governing body. Don't know how many times you're going to make me say that.

Call it confusion between USADA and the NSAC, or whatever, regarding why Mayweather got the retroactive TUE from USADA (who had no authority to grant it under NSAC rules anyway). The bottom line is, the NSAC is the only thing that matters. What Mayweather did or did not do regarding USADA means absolutely nothing. If he didn't break NSAC rules, he didn't break the rules at all.

NAC Chapter 467.850 (Administration or use of alcohol, stimulants, drugs or injections) does not list saline solutions as a prohibited injection, and there is no limit on the amount of fluid you can have injected. There's nothing else to talk about.

[Furn]

Yes Mayweather should have waited 14 days before rehydrating with the IV. They have retroactive TUE's for a reason.

There aren't retroactive TUEs under the WADA code.

Floyd is welcome to rehydrate he just can't use a banned method.

[doom_specialist]

There aren't retroactive TUEs under the WADA code.

Floyd is welcome to rehydrate he just can't use a banned method.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....es_V6.0_EN.pdf

Dated January 2012.

1.1.3. Retroactive TUEs

There are situations for which TUEs may be granted retroactively.
Nevertheless, even if a potential retroactive TUE case is examined, under
no circumstances does this provide any guarantee that the TUE will be
granted. The evaluation procedure is the same as that for the standard
TUE application. The application will be studied by the relevant TUEC,
which will issue its decision.

In accordance with Article 4.3 of the International Standard for TUEs, the
following two situations may result in a retroactive TUE:


1. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition.

2. If, due to exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for an applicant to submit, or a TUEC to consider, an application prior to doping control.

By way of explanation in relation to the aforementioned points:

 An emergency situation occurs when the life of an Athlete could be
at risk if he/she is unable to Use the Prohibited Substance or
Method; in other words, if the medical condition justifies the
treatment and warrants immediate administration.

 Circumstances are considered to be exceptional when, for example, a TUE cannot be granted in time through no fault of the Athlete. Thus, an Athlete with a chronic illness must request a TUE 30 days prior to an event. Nevertheless, the case of a normally healthy Athlete suddenly affected by a significant medical condition some days prior to an event, and unable to request a TUE within the allotted time to enable the TUEC to grant the TUE, may be considered as an “exceptional circumstance”.

 Medical emergencies or acute medical situations requiring
administration of an otherwise Prohibited Substance before an
application for a TUE can be made are uncommon. Similarly,
circumstances requiring expedited consideration of an application
for a TUE due to imminent competition are infrequent. Anti-Doping
Organisations granting TUEs should have internal procedures that
permit such situations to be addressed.


Mayweather cited severe dehydration with less than 24 hours to go until fight time. Pretty sure that qualifies him for a retroactive TUE by way of #2 under the WADA Code. Though again, it still doesn't matter because the NSAC was the governing body, which means that he would follow their rules, which do not adhere to the WADA code 100%

[original zero]

it was still illegal in this case otherwise why was a TUE needed ?

In any sport with integrity that you cant get a TUE after you've been caught using an banned method. Floyd could and should have been banned for 2-4 years for using a banned metghod without an exemption.

You're incorrect. The IV use was 100% legal in Nevada.

An exemption was needed because Floyd & Manny VOLUNTARILY agreed that they would notify USADA about any IV use so that USADA could investigate and make a determination of whether the use was legitimate. Everything was done by the book and USADA determined the use was legitimate.

Floyd did NOT use a banned method. It was 100% legal in Nevada. Floyd & Manny simply voluntarily agreed to notify USADA of said use so USADA could determine if the use was legitimate.

USADA was notified of the IV before it was administered and USADA was present. It seems many of you are very very confused about the exemption. Floyd & Manny agreed that if either one of them used an IV, their medical team would have to submit a report documenting why the IV was administered and USADA would either accept or reject their explanation. That is why the exemption is retroactive. So the medical & legal team of the fighter has time to properly submit the exemption and USADA has time to properly investigate the exemption.

If a fighter is claiming to be dehydrated, you don't wait two weeks to treat him until lawyers & doctors have finished filing their reports and documents. You treat the fighter and then the facts are investigated so USADA can determine if the use was legitimate. If a fighter is dehydrated after a weigh in, what sense would it make to not allow him to be treated until after the bureaucracy (which can take weeks) is settled?

[original zero]

same follow up question why the need for TUE if it was legal?

Because Floyd & Manny negotiated in their contract that it would be needed. Period.

It was 100% legal in Nevada, but Floyd & Manny voluntarily agreed to make USADA aware of said use so USADA could conduct an investigation and decide whether the use was legitimate.

This is very very simple stuff. Try to keep up please.

[original zero]

although the iv itself was not illegal the amount of 750ml was.

Incorrect. There was no limit in Nevada. Could have taken a gallon of vitamins if he wanted.

[Lester Tutor]

Since the beginning people have tried to break valid reasoning or the exception for the IV granted by WADA. The circumstance was that Floyd was severely dehydrated. If Floyd was not rich, there wouldnt be conspiracy theory since everybody was in agreement of the sports first and craziest drug testing protocol, so what would it matter, aside from the medical situation, since those are being tested.

So they play out some money laundering scheme or the "more expensive than VADA" to justify the added expense as a tip or bonus from Floyd. This way the FEDs can't trace some off shore or internal laundering innit.

It all boils down to politics and conflicts of interest for what HBO tries to promote and control as the de facto in boxing, VADA. As if WADA has only serviced Floyd in their year span along with their earnings... Hence international.

[original zero]

link for this specific rule pls.

if it was, does it say you can IV even if you are nor dehydrated? and the amount of 750 ml is legal limit?

until now nobody in authority has said categorically that floyd was dehydrated, not NSAC, not USADA.

How can I link you to a rule that didn't exist? IV was not a banned method in Nevada. Period. There was no limit. Not 750ml. Not 7 million ml.

It would be illegal for NSAC or USADA to reveal Floyd's private medical records when he didn't break any rules and didn't do anything wrong. He submitted the exemption as voluntarily agreed to in his contract with Manny. USADA accepted the exemption. End of story.

this is where i think you have to clarify.

Scenario 1. USADA went to Floyd's house for a surprise test (what you call random) caught Floyd doing IV infusion.

Scenario 2. USADA went to Floyd's house to collect sample for testing, Floyd can not provide enough urine for testing and that is when USADA said Floyd was dehydrated and allowed to performed/administer IV infusion.

Scenario 3. Floyd call USADA to inform them that he is dehydrated. USADA came look at Floyd and said yes you are dehydrated you can perform IV infusion.

Remember none of the collecting agent that went to Floyd's house were doctors, or even authorized to say if Floyd was dehydrated or not.

which of the scenarios are you talking about that happened then?

USADA has publicly stated that their doping control officer was in Mayweather's home and witnessed Mayweather's condition that precipitated the need for an IV *before* the paramedic was called. The doping control officer was in the home *while* the paramedic was called. The doping control officer was in the home while the paramedic provided the IV.

you file for the TUE before the actual IV infusion or right then and there when you are administering it not 19 days later and 18 days after the fight.

IV was 100% legal in Nevada. So any need for an exemption was from the voluntary agreement between Floyd & Manny and in their agreement, if an IV was needed for dehydration, they agreed they would make USADA aware of the IV use and submit an exemption to USADA.

You're clearly are not aware that these exemptions are prepared by doctors and lawyers and the paperwork can take weeks to prepare. Then the exemptions are investigated by doctors and lawyers and can take weeks to approve. If a fighter is dehydrated, he's not going to wait six weeks for treatment. That is ridiculous and not how it works.