who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[tangalog2200]

Floyd: Just like in the ring, Floyd uses a lot of loopholes and A side power to influence the decisions being made.

IV: Floyd was given all the advantages including being allowed to get an IV when its clearly illegal and from what we know as information he was not in a position to be granted the IV.

Manny: I didn't know how severe that Manny was concerning his shoulder injury. I knew it was not a good injury to have but it appears that it was worse than I thought.

The fight: Happened 5 years too late. It should have happened at least prior to the Marquez KO. Still, when analyzing the rounds and how the judges scored it, one can easily find a few rounds where they gave it to FLoyd but could have and in some cases should have given it to Manny. Starting with round 3. That was Manny's round. That would make it 115-113. Look at some others .... Plus, one guy had an IV, the other guy was refused to get his meds and fought injured.

technical fight: Wished for more action but FLoyd slowed it to a crawl due to the constant holding, headlocks, pushing down on Manny and so on. Still, there was some good technical fighting.


NSAC/USADA/MGM/Ref/judges: Hometown guy is Floyd and he had the advantage. Floyd should have had hard warnings, as stated by the commentators. It was too much and negatively impacted Manny since he is the one who is relying on offense even though his defense was very good.
Dave Morretti continues to be Floyd's go to judge. Something like 9 out of 11 past fights he is Floyd's judge.
Kenny Bayless would not deduct a point from Floyd but is quick to pull the trigger on someone like Maidana. Go watch just before that, Floyd was elbowing at will but no deductions!

So to say, Manny was going in that fight with little chance to win fairly. So perhaps for that reason, Manny's team's game plan was wrong. Maybe Manny had no choice due to the injury, I do not know but he should have been more offensive minded but the plan was to fight a technical fight. 5 years ago, that game plan would have been clearly different!


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thanks...that's very enlightening...

cheers!

[Zaroku]

thanks...that's very enlightening...

cheers!

Very! Hahahahahahaha bwahahahahaha!!

The fix is in!!

[TJ highway]

I like this statement better than your previous ones because at least I see you put some effort this time.

BUT whatever you said still does not answer the question of USADA just cannot be approving TUEs in the state of Nevada. NSAC said that process always needs to go thru the NSAC. Why? NSAC is the "sole authority" on TUE approvals. You know what "sole authority" means right? Only one. Nobody else. USADA can only take care of testing in Nevada.

Also, just because you think something does not make it a fact. Manny wanted to use something that was not even banned. Manny got the approval from USADA to use it. What happened? Manny was not allowed to use it.

Initially NSAC wanted to take action against Manny too. Maybe once they found out about Floyd's IV scandal, they stopped all investigations. It would open a can of worms for not only Floyd and Manny but to boxing, USADA and the NSAC .....


NSAC clarified its position on all this stuff. They had already told USADA what they can and cannot be doing in Nevada. They do not even particularly like these BS retroactive TUEs and has actually a tougher stance than you think with all of this.



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Yeah what he said!

We all know it was a masking agent!

But what was Floyd hiding?

I want to see Floyd fight outside of Vegas.............even Pee wee!

But we all know that will never happen!

[travestyny]

Wrong.

Visual Evidence of an exaggerated or non-existent shoulder injury: (thanks to aboutfkntime )

• Pac did not mention it once
• His corner did not work on the injury
• Pac did not stop using his right hand
• Pac did not stop throwing WITH INTENT
• Pac threw the same amount of punches he threw against Bradley FFS
• The injury wasn't even mentioned during the after-match interview
• ADP02 himself didn't suspect the so called injury could be labeled a full thickness rotator cuff tear

Photographic Evidence:
[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%209.35.44%20PM.png[/IMG]
One Month After Surgery

Video Evidence:

Playing basketball 3 months after surgery.

Direct Testimonial Evidence:
“I can lift my shoulder like this. No problem any longer,” Pacquiao stated while rotating the shoulder to reporters in Japan where he was helping the Philippine basketball national organization."
http://www.ibtimes.com/boxing-news-p...h-2016-2045161

“I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound.”
http://boxingbuzz.sportsblog.com/pos...-recovery.html

Eyewitness Testimony:
Manny Pacquiao, the only fighter in history to win eight world titles in different divisions, raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from a torn rotator cuff suffered during his fight against Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas last May.
http://www.philstar.com/sports/2015/...ulous-recovery

During the 2019 FIBA World Cup bidding event in Tokyo last week, Manny Pacquiao defiantly raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from surgery for his torn rotator cuff injury.
http://openinground.com/article/mann...-his-shoulder/

Testimonial from his own surgeon:
Swimming and playing basketball can damage the rotator cuff.
@:45


Testimony from those on Pacquaio's Team:
Bob Arum: "You know, he's not acting very professionally, in my opinion."
"You got an operation like that, you got to do rehab, you got to get the doctor to look at it and guide you on the kind of rehab that you can do."

Freddie Roach: “The salt water is just a [expletive] story. The [expletive] kid [Pacquiao] has a sense of humor. When he’s injury free, we’ll fight again. I don’t know when that’ll be. In three to six months, I’m hoping, but I don’t know. I’m not a doctor. I can’t really tell you.”

Pacquaio's Business Manager: Pacquiao’s business manager Eric Pineda, who was also in Tokyo, called it a miraculous recovery. “Manny has strong faith,” he said. “God did it. And all that swimming in the sea helped. Now, there’s talk of his comeback fight.”

Pacquaio's Surgeon, According to Bob Arum: "The doctor here was amazed when he saw pictures of his movement and everything…The doctor says he's got to see it himself.”

Testimony From Medical Sources:
"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

"According to the website for Premiere Orthopaedic & Sports Medicine, patients, at the three to six month mark post-surgery, are barely starting to re-strengthen the muscles in the affected area after the mandatory period of rest and inactivity. Dr. Surena Namdari of the Rothman Institute told Sports Illustrated that it would likely be six months before Manny could even begin the physical rehabilitation process."

"If the tear is large, patient is unable to lift the injured arm due to loss of muscle power and pain."
http://www.tandurust.com/bone-joint-...s-healing.html

"They simply can’t lift the arm up or if they do, they can’t lift it far."
http://www.howardluksmd.com/shoulder...cuff-injuries/

"In other cases, the rotator cuff tendons completely rupture. A complete tear makes it impossible to move the arm in a normal range of motion. It is usually impossible to raise the arm away from your side by yourself."
http://www.houstonmethodist.org/orth...or-cuff-tears/

Evidence from parallel circumstances:
Kobe Bryant:
Has surgery for a full thickness rotator cuff tear on January 28th.

Surgery performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache.

Full recovery stated to be 9-12 months.

"On August 22nd, Bryant posted a photo to his Instagram account with the caption, 'First day back on the court shooting!'"

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-18%20at%209.09.20%20PM.png[/IMG]
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...oulder-surgery

First day back on the court shooting for Kobe?: about 7 months

Pacquiao on the court shooting: 3 months

Andre Berto:
"Andre Berto, for example, went through seven months of tough rehab before being cleared to engage in light sparring after suffering an injury similar to Pacquiao’s in August of 2013. Berto, by the way, was treated by the same doctor who had attended to Pacquiao’s injury, Dr. Neal ElAttrache."
http://boxingbuzz.sportsblog.com/pos...-recovery.html

Berto Rehabilitation time: 7 months

Pacquaio rehabilitation time: ??? (self-rehab...3 months the most)

ADP02's Rebuttal:

The doctor said that Manny was 80-90% healed around early October.

Not only is this very loosely relevant since even if it was true, it doesn't explain Pacquaio's activity when he should have been in rehab, but:

Link to this doctor's direct quotation: ???????


Hmmmmm. You like to say "pretend the one with the IV was Manny." Now you pretend that all that **** I just typed above was about Floyd. Yea, I thought so.

The hard, cold EVIDENCE from EVERY DIRECTION in EVERY FORM is OVER FUCVING WHELMING!

[Zaroku]

Poor pac. He is getting exposed!

[Dosumpthin]

I like this statement better than your previous ones because at least I see you put some effort this time.

BUT whatever you said still does not answer the question of USADA just cannot be approving TUEs in the state of Nevada. NSAC said that process always needs to go thru the NSAC. Why? NSAC is the "sole authority" on TUE approvals. You know what "sole authority" means right? Only one. Nobody else. USADA can only take care of testing in Nevada.

Also, just because you think something does not make it a fact. Manny wanted to use something that was not even banned. Manny got the approval from USADA to use it. What happened? Manny was not allowed to use it.

Initially NSAC wanted to take action against Manny too. Maybe once they found out about Floyd's IV scandal, they stopped all investigations. It would open a can of worms for not only Floyd and Manny but to boxing, USADA and the NSAC .....


NSAC clarified its position on all this stuff. They had already told USADA what they can and cannot be doing in Nevada. They do not even particularly like these BS retroactive TUEs and has actually a tougher stance than you think with all of this.



.

Nsac has their own rules and their own drug testing program. They have no affiliation to WADA.


USADA didn't grant a tue for NSAC. USADA granted a tue for WADA.


The end. Silly pact@rd.

[ADP02]

Visual Evidence of an exaggerated or non-existent shoulder injury:




Eyewitness Testimony:
Manny Pacquiao, the only fighter in history to win eight world titles in different divisions, raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from a torn rotator cuff suffered during his fight against Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas last May.
http://www.philstar.com/sports/2015/...ulous-recovery

During the 2019 FIBA World Cup bidding event in Tokyo last week, Manny Pacquiao defiantly raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from surgery for his torn rotator cuff injury.
http://openinground.com/article/mann...-his-shoulder/

Testimonial from his own surgeon:
Swimming and playing basketball can damage the rotator cuff.
@:45


Testimony from those on Pacquaio's Team:
Bob Arum: "You know, he's not acting very professionally, in my opinion."
"You got an operation like that, you got to do rehab, you got to get the doctor to look at it and guide you on the kind of rehab that you can do."



Pacquaio's Business Manager: Pacquiao’s business manager Eric Pineda, who was also in Tokyo, called it a miraculous recovery. “Manny has strong faith,” he said. “God did it. And all that swimming in the sea helped. Now, there’s talk of his comeback fight.”

Pacquaio's Surgeon, According to Bob Arum: "The doctor here was amazed when he saw pictures of his movement and everything…The doctor says he's got to see it himself.”

Testimony From Medical Sources:
"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

"According to the website for Premiere Orthopaedic & Sports Medicine, patients, at the three to six month mark post-surgery, are barely starting to re-strengthen the muscles in the affected area after the mandatory period of rest and inactivity. Dr. Surena Namdari of the Rothman Institute told Sports Illustrated that it would likely be six months before Manny could even begin the physical rehabilitation process."

"If the tear is large, patient is unable to lift the injured arm due to loss of muscle power and pain."
http://www.tandurust.com/bone-joint-...s-healing.html

"They simply can’t lift the arm up or if they do, they can’t lift it far."
http://www.howardluksmd.com/shoulder...cuff-injuries/

"In other cases, the rotator cuff tendons completely rupture. A complete tear makes it impossible to move the arm in a normal range of motion. It is usually impossible to raise the arm away from your side by yourself."
http://www.houstonmethodist.org/orth...or-cuff-tears/

Evidence from parallel circumstances:
Kobe Bryant:
Has surgery for a full thickness rotator cuff tear on January 28th.

Surgery performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache.

Full recovery stated to be 9-12 months.

"On August 22nd, Bryant posted a photo to his Instagram account with the caption, 'First day back on the court shooting!'"



First day back on the court shooting for Kobe?: about 7 months

Pacquiao on the court shooting: 3 months

Andre Berto:
"Andre Berto, for example, went through seven months of tough rehab before being cleared to engage in light sparring after suffering an injury similar to Pacquiao’s in August of 2013. Berto, by the way, was treated by the same doctor who had attended to Pacquiao’s injury, Dr. Neal ElAttrache."
http://boxingbuzz.sportsblog.com/pos...-recovery.html

Berto Rehabilitation time: 7 months

Pacquaio rehabilitation time: ??? (self-rehab...3 months the most)

ADP02's Rebuttal:


Not only is this very loosely relevant since even if it was true, it doesn't explain Pacquaio's activity when he should have been in rehab, but:

Link to this doctor's direct quotation: ???????




The hard, cold EVIDENCE from EVERY DIRECTION in EVERY FORM is OVER FUCVING WHELMING!

- No mention by Floyd on severe deydration.
- We did not hear about Floyd's severe case of dehydration until after the fight. 21 days later.
- No visual evidence by Floyd. Many of his fans said Floyd looked good and ready.
- After weigh in Floyd drank quite a bit after the visual evidence that he looked OK.
- Manny had the meds in the prefight form. Floyd NOTHING!
- Manny had hand written letter on meds at least 1 week in advance
- Manny told NSAC BEFORE the fight!
- "old" travestyny would laugh at "new" travestyny for saying "visual evidence". Then call "new", delusional, speculating, internet doctor in PJs.....

------------------------------------

Who will win this? "old travestny" or "new" travestyny.

I'm routing for "new" travestyny because he is more like me EXCEPT he is no expert on rotator cuff injuries. At least I have very good knowledge about dehydration ....... but "old" travestyny keeps on going on with his "you do not have all the facts even when evidence proves to the contrary". Though in this case, there seems to be some validity to that.



WRONG says "old travestny"

Every case is different but swimming can be included in the rehab (see below)

The technique of rotator cuff repair depends on the size and configuration of the tear. Smaller tears may be amenable to arthroscopic repair if the tendon quality remains robust. Larger tears are best fixed through an open incision. By 3 months, patients may resume full use of the extremity provided they have achieved a functional active range of motion. Progressive strengthening exercises with increased resistance and endurance exercises like swimming, rowing, and upper body ergometer are encouraged. In addition, we strongly encourage an aerobic conditioning program for the lower extremities to promote general health and fitness.





Manny's doctor said this beforehand
"“He wanted to avoid a re-injury, so we proceeded with the surgery. He had healthy tissue and bone and suturing was very easy. We performed a type of arthroscopic repair that I developed…one which has shown to be the strongest type of rotator cuff repair we have today.”

“So far his postop period is going well. He is in the Philippines and I will see him in a couple of weeks. If he wants to continue boxing then I see no reason why he can’t get back in the ring. Our goals for this early phase are for the repair to settle and to avoid damaging the suture tendon portion of the repair. We are allowing early motion, but not enough to stress the repair. Range of motion (ROM) is limited over the first 6 weeks; then we go for full ROM and begin strengthening at about 12 weeks. I will allow him to begin training in 6 months and he should be able to compete in 9-12 months.”


Unable to lift injured arm
- Every case is different. When injury occurs, it may just weaken your arm shoulder due to the pain or injury.




Manny was not training for the fight until maybe 8 months out? I do not know exactly but you are confusing all this. Doctor says rehab starts soon after surgery (weeks) NOT 7 or 9 months after. What the doctor wanted Manny to avoid was training for a fight. No boxing training for 6 months then he could get into real action at 9 - 12 months after surgery.

There is a big difference between doing what he did and training for a fight. Plus, continue thinking this is Floyd and you will be alright. If it was FLoyd, you would say Floyd is not a doctor. Even lets say what Manny did was not expected, if it was FLoyd, you would just have said, he didn't know better and may have done more damage or was as you said, just dumb.


"old travestny": "Dehydration? That is too complicated for Floyd even after the fact. Floyd does not understand anything about dehydration nor does Dr Ariza even if someone tries to explain it to them since they need to understand it very well because IVs are prohibited methods. Floyd nor Dr Ariza are doctors so stop it

"new travestny": "It does not matter what the doctor said. Manny said he is healed so it must be true. I got the pictures."



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[ADP02]

Nsac has their own rules and their own drug testing program. They have no affiliation to WADA.


USADA didn't grant a tue for NSAC. USADA granted a tue for WADA.


The end. Silly pact@rd.

NSAC clarified their position to USADA on who can grant TUEs in the state of Nevada. They also clarified their position on what they think about TUEs, retroactive TUEs, IVs and so on.

So if Floyd would have come to the NSAC with that BS IV and BS retroactive TUE, the NSAC would more than likely have refused all that BS ....... BUT since Floyd is in his hometown turf, I would not have bet on that.

[Dosumpthin]

NSAC clarified their position to USADA on who can grant TUEs in the state of Nevada. They also clarified their position on what they think about TUEs, retroactive TUEs, IVs and so on.

USADA didn't grant a tue for NSAC. USADA granted a tue for WADA.

So if Floyd would have come to the NSAC with that BS IV and BS retroactive TUE, the NSAC would more than likely have refused all that BS ....... BUT since Floyd is in his hometown turf, I would not have bet on that.

If NSAC rules banned IV use, then Floyd would have applied for a tue through NSAC.


But NSAC rules doesn't ban IV use. So Floyd did not apply for a tue through NSAC.


WADA rules ban IV use. So Floyd applied for a tue through a WADA signatory.

[Dosumpthin]

Visual Evidence of an exaggerated or non-existent shoulder injury: (thanks to aboutfkntime )

• Pac did not mention it once
• His corner did not work on the injury
• Pac did not stop using his right hand
• Pac did not stop throwing WITH INTENT
• Pac threw the same amount of punches he threw against Bradley FFS
• The injury wasn't even mentioned during the after-match interview
• ADP02 himself didn't suspect the so called injury could be labeled a full thickness rotator cuff tear

Photographic Evidence:
[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%209.35.44%20PM.png[/IMG]
One Month After Surgery

Video Evidence:

Playing basketball 3 months after surgery.

Direct Testimonial Evidence:
“I can lift my shoulder like this. No problem any longer,” Pacquiao stated while rotating the shoulder to reporters in Japan where he was helping the Philippine basketball national organization."
http://www.ibtimes.com/boxing-news-p...h-2016-2045161

“I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound.”
http://boxingbuzz.sportsblog.com/pos...-recovery.html

Eyewitness Testimony:
Manny Pacquiao, the only fighter in history to win eight world titles in different divisions, raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from a torn rotator cuff suffered during his fight against Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas last May.
http://www.philstar.com/sports/2015/...ulous-recovery

During the 2019 FIBA World Cup bidding event in Tokyo last week, Manny Pacquiao defiantly raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from surgery for his torn rotator cuff injury.
http://openinground.com/article/mann...-his-shoulder/

Testimonial from his own surgeon:
Swimming and playing basketball can damage the rotator cuff.
@:45


Testimony from those on Pacquaio's Team:
Bob Arum: "You know, he's not acting very professionally, in my opinion."
"You got an operation like that, you got to do rehab, you got to get the doctor to look at it and guide you on the kind of rehab that you can do."

Freddie Roach: “The salt water is just a [expletive] story. The [expletive] kid [Pacquiao] has a sense of humor. When he’s injury free, we’ll fight again. I don’t know when that’ll be. In three to six months, I’m hoping, but I don’t know. I’m not a doctor. I can’t really tell you.”

Pacquaio's Business Manager: Pacquiao’s business manager Eric Pineda, who was also in Tokyo, called it a miraculous recovery. “Manny has strong faith,” he said. “God did it. And all that swimming in the sea helped. Now, there’s talk of his comeback fight.”

Pacquaio's Surgeon, According to Bob Arum: "The doctor here was amazed when he saw pictures of his movement and everything…The doctor says he's got to see it himself.”

Testimony From Medical Sources:
"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

"According to the website for Premiere Orthopaedic & Sports Medicine, patients, at the three to six month mark post-surgery, are barely starting to re-strengthen the muscles in the affected area after the mandatory period of rest and inactivity. Dr. Surena Namdari of the Rothman Institute told Sports Illustrated that it would likely be six months before Manny could even begin the physical rehabilitation process."

"If the tear is large, patient is unable to lift the injured arm due to loss of muscle power and pain."
http://www.tandurust.com/bone-joint-...s-healing.html

"They simply can’t lift the arm up or if they do, they can’t lift it far."
http://www.howardluksmd.com/shoulder...cuff-injuries/

"In other cases, the rotator cuff tendons completely rupture. A complete tear makes it impossible to move the arm in a normal range of motion. It is usually impossible to raise the arm away from your side by yourself."
http://www.houstonmethodist.org/orth...or-cuff-tears/

Evidence from parallel circumstances:
Kobe Bryant:
Has surgery for a full thickness rotator cuff tear on January 28th.

Surgery performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache.

Full recovery stated to be 9-12 months.

"On August 22nd, Bryant posted a photo to his Instagram account with the caption, 'First day back on the court shooting!'"

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-18%20at%209.09.20%20PM.png[/IMG]
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...oulder-surgery

First day back on the court shooting for Kobe?: about 7 months

Pacquiao on the court shooting: 3 months

Andre Berto:
"Andre Berto, for example, went through seven months of tough rehab before being cleared to engage in light sparring after suffering an injury similar to Pacquiao’s in August of 2013. Berto, by the way, was treated by the same doctor who had attended to Pacquiao’s injury, Dr. Neal ElAttrache."
http://boxingbuzz.sportsblog.com/pos...-recovery.html

Berto Rehabilitation time: 7 months

Pacquaio rehabilitation time: ??? (self-rehab...3 months the most)

ADP02's Rebuttal:


Not only is this very loosely relevant since even if it was true, it doesn't explain Pacquaio's activity when he should have been in rehab, but:

Link to this doctor's direct quotation: ???????


Hmmmmm. You like to say "pretend the one with the IV was Manny." Now you pretend that all that **** I just typed above was about Floyd. Yea, I thought so.

The hard, cold EVIDENCE from EVERY DIRECTION in EVERY FORM is OVER FUCVING WHELMING!

Manny listed drugs like lidocaine and prp treatment (controversial because its a method for blood doping) on his prefight form to treat an undisclosed injury that they have been proven to have lied about.
Top rank is on record lying about when, how, why and now the recovery process for Manny's injury.

And this doesn't raise an eyebrow.

No consitency from pact@rds. Especially since they scream "Floyd uses lidocaine and does vampire facials."