who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Spoon23]

Written by: amir khans#1fan

Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Top Ten Massive Red Flags That Point To Doping / PED Use (!
Mayweather was sued by Pacquiao. When Pacquiao's lawyers motioned to subpoena his drug test results, medical records, and contracts with USADA, Mayweather quickly settled the case and paid out a large sum of money in order to keep the requested information private. If Mayweather was clean and wanted to clean up the sport of boxing, why not offer full transparency?

Mayweather has a medical team, which is bizarre since no boxer should have his own medical team. Strength and conditioning coaches, yes. Nutrionist and personal chef, yes. Medical team? Absolutely not.

Mayweather was the subject of an explosive report that indicates that he failed 3 drug tests. Mayweather doesn't go to much length at all to deny this report, opting for the say-nothing-and-it-will-go away option. Mayweather accused Pac of being on PEDs. Pacquiao sued him. And WON.

Mayweather tested 2X for having testosterone-to-epitesterone levels of .8 and .6, a massive red flag that points to doping. Usually when this happens, CIR testing is done as a follow up. Not only did USADA not follow up, but they refuse to do CIR testing because they deem that it is too expensive. VADA charged $16,000 for Provodnikov-Matthysse w/ CIR testing. USADA received $150,000 upfront from Team Mayweather for the Pacquiao fight. Red flag, red flag, red flag.

Mayweather rejected VADA testing. If clean, why reject the use of a qualified and effective testing agency that has caught people and is without controversy?

Mayweather rejected a $5 million dollar fine for a positive result. If clean, why not just agree to it? It literally costs nothing and is an excellent insurance for both fighters.

Mayweather had USADA send out an agreement to Team Pacquiao that allowed a TUE to be retroactively granted in the event that a fighter tested positive for a prohibited drug. This agreement also ludicrously stated that neither the NSAC nor the opposing camp had to be notified. Mayweather actually wanted it in writing that he was allowed to dope.

Mayweather was seen by a doctor and approved and declared fit for combat on the day of the weigh in. If he was dehydrated, nevermind severely dehydrated, the doctor would have noticed it. And Mayweather himself signed off on being 100% ready and fit for combat in 24 hours.

Mayweather had banned fluids totaling 750 ML administered in the privacy of his home and was then given approval for a TUE (The****utic Use Exemption) close to 3 weeks after the fight. Mayweather received these fluids mere hours after a doctor had cleared him and deemed him ready for competition.

Mayweather does "vampire" facials, a cosmetic procedure that involves a reinjection of a gel-like substance—platelet rich fibrin matrix (PRFM)—derived from a patient's own blood back into multiple areas of the skin of their face to treat wrinkles. If Floyd's taking blood out of himself to reinject into his face, blood doping is certainly not something he would shy away from.
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[imperial1]

Too much evidence? I'm not sure you understand American popular culture. Public enemy #1 is always destroyed and doesn't just flop and writers give up. That's not how media works. Lol

I'm nit sure you understand how evidence works pop culture has nothing to do with obvious cheating ..

[Spoon23]

I'm nit sure you understand how evidence works pop culture has nothing to do with obvious cheating ..

To the hood **** it is

[boxinggod101]

Come on groupies !!! Dont give up the fight!!! LOL. Its been 7 years u guys fighting over the same 2 guys, arent u tired? Both of them came up clean as far as results so all the assumption and bs u guys putting up there doesnt mean ****.

Alot of good fighters got caught dirty, why not talk abt them?

[Lester Tutor]

I'm nit sure you understand how evidence works pop culture has nothing to do with obvious cheating ..

Thunder Dork boxing

[ADP02]

1. Why are you taking each part of what Mayweather said and weighing it separately? Does that make any sense to you? He mentioned reasons that may have all together caused him to be dehydrated. For you to take these things separately and say they don't cause dehydration is fine, but pointless because that has never been his stance. Furthermore, I don't know what Floyd was doing on the day of the weigh-in or leading up to the weigh-in. I imagine that you don't know exactly what he was doing either. If you have some inside information about his workout regimen or rehydration practices, do let us know. As for his weight, he has already stated that he didn't have trouble making the weight. Have you ever been dehydrated? Probably you have been. Was it because you were trying to cut weight? Maybe you should think about that.

2. Other posters have already posted about fighters that claimed to be dehydrated passing their NSAC physicals. How many times have people said fighters look dehydrated at weigh-ins? How many times have those fights been called off due to dehydration? I can't think of one single time. Can you?

3. IV's are not illegal as per NSAC. IV's are allowed by USADA if a TUE is approved. It was approved, so it was not illegal.

4. Once again, the original contract did not have any language about retroactive TUE's. It was part of USADA's code that referred to it. It had nothing to do with Mayweather negotiating for retroactive TUE's not to be revealed, as you try to claim. USADA states that very clearly. When Pacquaio's team raised a concern about that being in their code, USADA agreed to disclose any TUE to both fighters if one was granted.

5. USADA agrees that CIR testing isn't the best way to monitor the use of prohibited substances. That is why they use other methods as well.

"Importantly, relying on CIR testing alone to detect the use of prohibited substances is yesterday’s science and not up to the current best scientific practices. The best scientific practices today, which USADA utilizes, is the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) to longitudinally monitor an athlete’s urine and blood profiles, which allows us to look for any minor or major fluctuations in an athlete’s blood or steroid values."

You say there are "red flags," but what the facts show is that Mayweahther never failed a drug test, and USADA played by the rules when, if they were taking money, it would have been easier and smarter to look the other way. Furthermore, NSAC also cleared him of any wrong doing after initially questioning what happened. So was NSAC paid off at a later date? Does it make sense, or are you grasping at straws?

1) Are you being serious?

You combine 0 + 0 + 0 what do you think you are going to get?

Giving urine cannot dehydrate you!!! Think for a second instead of believing the BS that came out of Floyd's mouth.

The same can be said about giving the small amount of blood 10 days before. Again, you Floyd fans said it didn't matter if blood was taken out the day before the fight so that is why both the 7 day, 14 days or even 1 day cutoff was an issue for Floyd. Remember? Manny was concerned that it may affect his training if he had to give blood then train that day, for example. Remember what Floyd and his fans called it? BS!!! So if you combine BS (urine) to BS you get what? Just more BS from Floyd!

Since Floyd and his fans have been saying for 5+ years that the above will not affect you even if it was the day of, then you need to start questioning WHY Floyd came up with those excuses. Right? The only reason is to try to cover up the truth and you know it.


2) Its not about being granted or not to fight (even though I think this is one reason why NSAC would like this hidden under the rug). Anyways, the point is that the examination and the medical readings such as blood pressure, pulse, ... all turned up evidence to point to that Floyd was NOT dehydrated to the point that an IV must have been used.

Oh yes, then we need to combine those stats with the other stats that we know about Floyd.

How much did he weigh at the 30 day mark? 150.5
How much did he weigh at the 2 week mark? 149
How much did he weigh at the 1 week mark? 148.5
How much did he weigh just before the IV? 146 + we have video of Floyd drinking like a fish after the weigh in. So can we say that he may be back up to 147? 148? 149? ... ?

Then why the IV Floyd? WHY????

While its to be expected, there is even video of him eating. So if you take eating into account, that would also bring that weight up. Yikes, Floyd may go over that 150.5 mark even without the IV!

Then add to that fact that Floyd said he was good health in his pre-fight form since the form contained nothing as far as having any health issues (except for allergies) nor about the IVs ....

Man, if you analyze what was said, it becomes more and more comical. There was no need for an IV. Lets see the counter evidence if you believe otherwise!


3) This is your funniest statement on this. Again, we had to wait 5+ years for this fight because something like this IV scandal was a concern by Floyd and his fans because they cried that Manny would do these type of tricks but now that its Floyd who ended up doing this, all you have to say is "Its not illegal per NSAC rules"??? So now the NSAC rules are good enough?

Floyd used an IV that contained 750ml with certain substances that was illegal according to WADA code. After the fight and a whole 18 days later, Floyd requests for TUE. USADA approves about 20 days after the fight. Manny and NSAC find out about this IV scandal 21 days after the fight. So Floyd went into the fight and used a prohibited method that was NOT approved at the time of the fight.


4) What Hauser is stating is that its still part of the contract since that is the shady protocol that would be used. The word or statement does not have to be in the contract itself. All they had to do is point to it and say that that is the code that we are following. Its the same thing. Floyd could have done what he did and more and USADA could have been mum about the whole scheme and Manny, NSAC and the world would have known nothing about it. We have to thank Manny's team for thinking about this or else we would have never known. Look at Floyd's previous fights. Did you hear about any IVs? TUEs? Its because Floyd used USADA and the whole thing was between them two ONLY. That is what Hauser was complaining about.


5) So in part, you are in agreement with my statement about USADA's testing can be off the mark since they are admitting it too! What you did though is confuse the matter with USADA's statement. Well, lets face it, that is all they have! lol!

The point that I made and will make again is that the tester is always one or two steps behind what the cheater is actually doing. So when this IV scandal comes up, it magnifies the flaws. Using your own words and the words used by USADA and Floyd, let me know what would happen if Floyd failed a PEDs test for something that is not under the NSAC prohibited list of substances and methods? Well I can answer that since they kinda answered it with the IV scandal. They would keep it between Floyd and USADA and if it ever did get leaked somehow USADA can legally say "Floyd was just voluntarily doing this but since its not illegal per NSAC rules so that is why we never communicated that to NSAC, Manny and the world. Floyd did nothing wrong. USADA followed WADA rules and didn't have to let NSAC know about that. Its all good."



So what was the point of us having to wait 5+ years for this fight if Floyd could use USADA as a shield to do shady activity and then say "NSAC isn't following the rules so we did nothing wrong?" According to Floyd and his fans, they wanted better testing just so the athlete cannot exploit the weaknesses and loopholes but as we saw in this case and also can be seen when Floyd's uses his A side power. Floyd gets to remove any advantage that his opponent has while using loopholes to gain advantages for Floyd.



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[travestyny]

1) Are you being serious?

You combine 0 + 0 + 0 what do you think you are going to get?

Giving urine cannot dehydrate you!!! Think for a second instead of believing the BS that came out of Floyd's mouth.

The same can be said about giving the small amount of blood 10 days before. Again, you Floyd fans said it didn't matter if blood was taken out the day before the fight so that is why both the 7 day, 14 days or even 1 day cutoff was an issue for Floyd. Remember? Manny was concerned that it may affect his training if he had to give blood then train that day, for example. Remember what Floyd and his fans called it? BS!!! So if you combine BS (urine) to BS you get what? Just more BS from Floyd!

Since Floyd and his fans have been saying for 5+ years that the above will not affect you even if it was the day of, then you need to start questioning WHY Floyd came up with those excuses. Right? The only reason is to try to cover up the truth and you know it.


2) Its not about being granted or not to fight (even though I think this is one reason why NSAC would like this hidden under the rug). Anyways, the point is that the examination and the medical readings such as blood pressure, pulse, ... all turned up evidence to point to that Floyd was NOT dehydrated to the point that an IV must have been used.

Oh yes, then we need to combine those stats with the other stats that we know about Floyd.

How much did he weigh at the 30 day mark? 150.5
How much did he weigh at the 2 week mark? 149
How much did he weigh at the 1 week mark? 148.5
How much did he weigh just before the IV? 146 + we have video of Floyd drinking like a fish after the weigh in. So can we say that he may be back up to 147? 148? 149? ... ?

Then why the IV Floyd? WHY????

While its to be expected, there is even video of him eating. So if you take eating into account, that would also bring that weight up. Yikes, Floyd may go over that 150.5 mark even without the IV!

Then add to that fact that Floyd said he was good health in his pre-fight form since the form contained nothing as far as having any health issues (except for allergies) nor about the IVs ....

Man, if you analyze what was said, it becomes more and more comical. There was no need for an IV. Lets see the counter evidence if you believe otherwise!


3) This is your funniest statement on this. Again, we had to wait 5+ years for this fight because something like this IV scandal was a concern by Floyd and his fans because they cried that Manny would do these type of tricks but now that its Floyd who ended up doing this, all you have to say is "Its not illegal per NSAC rules"??? So now the NSAC rules are good enough?

Floyd used an IV that contained 750ml with certain substances that was illegal according to WADA code. After the fight and a whole 18 days later, Floyd requests for TUE. USADA approves about 20 days after the fight. Manny and NSAC find out about this IV scandal 21 days after the fight. So Floyd went into the fight and used a prohibited method that was NOT approved at the time of the fight.


4) What Hauser is stating is that its still part of the contract since that is the shady protocol that would be used. The word or statement does not have to be in the contract itself. All they had to do is point to it and say that that is the code that we are following. Its the same thing. Floyd could have done what he did and more and USADA could have been mum about the whole scheme and Manny, NSAC and the world would have known nothing about it. We have to thank Manny's team for thinking about this or else we would have never known. Look at Floyd's previous fights. Did you hear about any IVs? TUEs? Its because Floyd used USADA and the whole thing was between them two ONLY. That is what Hauser was complaining about.


5) So in part, you are in agreement with my statement about USADA's testing can be off the mark since they are admitting it too! What you did though is confuse the matter with USADA's statement. Well, lets face it, that is all they have! lol!

The point that I made and will make again is that the tester is always one or two steps behind what the cheater is actually doing. So when this IV scandal comes up, it magnifies the flaws. Using your own words and the words used by USADA and Floyd, let me know what would happen if Floyd failed a PEDs test for something that is not under the NSAC prohibited list of substances and methods? Well I can answer that since they kinda answered it with the IV scandal. They would keep it between Floyd and USADA and if it ever did get leaked somehow USADA can legally say "Floyd was just voluntarily doing this but since its not illegal per NSAC rules so that is why we never communicated that to NSAC, Manny and the world. Floyd did nothing wrong. USADA followed WADA rules and didn't have to let NSAC know about that. Its all good."



So what was the point of us having to wait 5+ years for this fight if Floyd could use USADA as a shield to do shady activity and then say "NSAC isn't following the rules so we did nothing wrong?" According to Floyd and his fans, they wanted better testing just so the athlete cannot exploit the weaknesses and loopholes but as we saw in this case and also can be seen when Floyd's uses his A side power. Floyd gets to remove any advantage that his opponent has while using loopholes to gain advantages for Floyd.



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1. You have to concede that you were not there to witness Mayweather's condition. All you have is your own conjecture. It's as simple as that. When you become a professional boxer and train for a fight while going through drug testing, then maybe I'll listen to your opinion on whether you believe he could have been dehydrated or not. Or perhaps if you were the DCO who witnessed his condition that made the IV necessary. Until then, stop pretending to be in the know of what exactly went on, because you are not. And please don't bring up Pacquaio in this scenario. There is a big difference between claiming to be dehydrated and refusing to go through random drug testing all together. If it is your claim that he couldn't have been dehydrated by giving blood 10 days before the fight, how the hell can you justify Pacquaio refusing a cut-off date of 14 days before the fight? Last I checked, Mayweather gave a sample directly before and after the IV, and passed. Pacquaio refused the test!

2. You are still talking about his weight, which he stated was not an issue. He never stated that dehydration was a result of having difficulty losing the weight, so I don't know why you keep talking that angle up. Also, you still haven't addressed why boxers go into a boxing match clearly dehydrated if passing the NSAC examination confirms that you aren't dehydrated. Perhaps if you can show some proof based on other boxers' stats, you'd have some legs to stand on.

3. USADA was contacted before the IV and the DCO monitored Mayweather before and after the IV. Since retroactive TUE's are allowed as per USADA's protocol, which existed before this match being made, it was not illegal. This is very simple logic. Furthermore, the IV was not against NSAC's rules. I thought you wanted to let the commission do its job. They did their job and said Mayweather did nothing wrong. Aren't you happy that the commission did its job?

4. First of all, do you agree that the non-disclosure was part of USADA's rules and not a demand by Mayweather? Thank you for that.

Most of all, thank you for admitting my point. Yes, "Floyd could have done what he did and more and USADA could have been mum about the whole scheme and Manny, NSAC and the world would have known nothing about it." Exactly. Do you think that situation only exists because Manny's side successfully argued to revise the contract language? Use your brain. If USADA was crooked enough to accept money from Mayweather, why the hell would you think they would abide by any contract??? Why would they reveal the IV and the TUE if they could get away without revealing it? So let me get this straight, no one would have ever found out about the IV and TUE unless that language was placed in the contract. USADA was deathly afraid to break the contract, but USADA took money and protected Mayweather's drug use because USADA would be safe and that wouldn't break the contract??? Huh?

5. Woud you want USADA to say CIR testing is the be all end all, or do you commend them for using other methods to monitor for cheating? Hmm. Seems you are trying to condemn them for noting exactly what you said. Does that make any sense?

Furthermore, are you trying to argue that if Mayweather failed a test, it wouldn't be revealed. What would be the point of going through testing if that's how it works? Use your brain. Do you want to know what would happen if he failed a test? As can be reference from precedence, both fighters, the promoter, the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and WADA would have been informed of the failed test. Again, there is precedence to prove this. Does that answer your question?

Keep up your witch hunt based on conjecture. Anything else?

[Spoon23]

1) Are you being serious?

You combine 0 + 0 + 0 what do you think you are going to get?

Giving urine cannot dehydrate you!!! Think for a second instead of believing the BS that came out of Floyd's mouth.

The same can be said about giving the small amount of blood 10 days before. Again, you Floyd fans said it didn't matter if blood was taken out the day before the fight so that is why both the 7 day, 14 days or even 1 day cutoff was an issue for Floyd. Remember? Manny was concerned that it may affect his training if he had to give blood then train that day, for example. Remember what Floyd and his fans called it? BS!!! So if you combine BS (urine) to BS you get what? Just more BS from Floyd!

Since Floyd and his fans have been saying for 5+ years that the above will not affect you even if it was the day of, then you need to start questioning WHY Floyd came up with those excuses. Right? The only reason is to try to cover up the truth and you know it.


2) Its not about being granted or not to fight (even though I think this is one reason why NSAC would like this hidden under the rug). Anyways, the point is that the examination and the medical readings such as blood pressure, pulse, ... all turned up evidence to point to that Floyd was NOT dehydrated to the point that an IV must have been used.

Oh yes, then we need to combine those stats with the other stats that we know about Floyd.

How much did he weigh at the 30 day mark? 150.5
How much did he weigh at the 2 week mark? 149
How much did he weigh at the 1 week mark? 148.5
How much did he weigh just before the IV? 146 + we have video of Floyd drinking like a fish after the weigh in. So can we say that he may be back up to 147? 148? 149? ... ?

Then why the IV Floyd? WHY????

While its to be expected, there is even video of him eating. So if you take eating into account, that would also bring that weight up. Yikes, Floyd may go over that 150.5 mark even without the IV!

Then add to that fact that Floyd said he was good health in his pre-fight form since the form contained nothing as far as having any health issues (except for allergies) nor about the IVs ....

Man, if you analyze what was said, it becomes more and more comical. There was no need for an IV. Lets see the counter evidence if you believe otherwise!


3) This is your funniest statement on this. Again, we had to wait 5+ years for this fight because something like this IV scandal was a concern by Floyd and his fans because they cried that Manny would do these type of tricks but now that its Floyd who ended up doing this, all you have to say is "Its not illegal per NSAC rules"??? So now the NSAC rules are good enough?

Floyd used an IV that contained 750ml with certain substances that was illegal according to WADA code. After the fight and a whole 18 days later, Floyd requests for TUE. USADA approves about 20 days after the fight. Manny and NSAC find out about this IV scandal 21 days after the fight. So Floyd went into the fight and used a prohibited method that was NOT approved at the time of the fight.


4) What Hauser is stating is that its still part of the contract since that is the shady protocol that would be used. The word or statement does not have to be in the contract itself. All they had to do is point to it and say that that is the code that we are following. Its the same thing. Floyd could have done what he did and more and USADA could have been mum about the whole scheme and Manny, NSAC and the world would have known nothing about it. We have to thank Manny's team for thinking about this or else we would have never known. Look at Floyd's previous fights. Did you hear about any IVs? TUEs? Its because Floyd used USADA and the whole thing was between them two ONLY. That is what Hauser was complaining about.


5) So in part, you are in agreement with my statement about USADA's testing can be off the mark since they are admitting it too! What you did though is confuse the matter with USADA's statement. Well, lets face it, that is all they have! lol!

The point that I made and will make again is that the tester is always one or two steps behind what the cheater is actually doing. So when this IV scandal comes up, it magnifies the flaws. Using your own words and the words used by USADA and Floyd, let me know what would happen if Floyd failed a PEDs test for something that is not under the NSAC prohibited list of substances and methods? Well I can answer that since they kinda answered it with the IV scandal. They would keep it between Floyd and USADA and if it ever did get leaked somehow USADA can legally say "Floyd was just voluntarily doing this but since its not illegal per NSAC rules so that is why we never communicated that to NSAC, Manny and the world. Floyd did nothing wrong. USADA followed WADA rules and didn't have to let NSAC know about that. Its all good."



So what was the point of us having to wait 5+ years for this fight if Floyd could use USADA as a shield to do shady activity and then say "NSAC isn't following the rules so we did nothing wrong?" According to Floyd and his fans, they wanted better testing just so the athlete cannot exploit the weaknesses and loopholes but as we saw in this case and also can be seen when Floyd's uses his A side power. Floyd gets to remove any advantage that his opponent has while using loopholes to gain advantages for Floyd.



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That's an Ace served by ADP02.

[Zaroku]

That's an Ace served by ADP02.

They are all cheaters. But only PAC was face down when the dust settled, right or wrong??

You know Marquez ruined your PAC fantasies. Marquez crushed your God like an empty beer can against his forehead.

Move on.

[Spoon23]

They are all cheaters. But only PAC was face down when the dust settled, right or wrong??

You know Marquez ruined your PAC fantasies. Marquez crushed your God like an empty beer can against his forehead.

Move on.

Naah to this day no smoking gun are factual proof Pac did cheat. Nothing. All hearsay. On the other hand, Floyd and Marquez has tons of evidences to incriminate them. Google is your friend.