Why do people think Thomas Hearns would beat Floyd so easily?

[robertzimmerman]

There Is no doubt that Ray showed amazing heart. He was hit with some big shots and was being stocked for 6 rounds by a man with a much longer reach and with a substantial height advantage. It comes down to styles and Floyd did not have the aggressive style due to his lack of power at the higher weight classes as you stated. He would have had to try and survive and he would have failed miserably attempting that game plan against Hearns.

I agree.

Again, it's just circumstances.

Floyd would have been in survival mode.

There's no possible way he could have won the fight.

[robertzimmerman]

Yes were are talking about Hearns and we are also talking about an ATG defensive fighter that has the lowest connect against percentage of any fighter in history .

Floyd could possible bamboozle Hearns we just dont know , be the same for Sweat Pea , these guys are experts at nullifying power punchers if you cant land clean on them often you lose .

I never said Floyd would beat Tommy I dont think he could because of the size but its possible and thats my point you guys are always soooooooo adamant Floyd gets beat by everyone but the truth is he never did in real life so the next avenue is to downplay his comp , well the funny thing about that for me is the guys that are supposedly always beating Floyd were all beat by lesser fighters than Floyd , something just smells off to me .

You've made some good points.

I think Floyd would have made Tommy miss due to his great defence. But in my opinion, they'd have been nothing going back in return. Tommy would always have been the aggressor. So whilst it's more than possible that Floyd's great defence could have protected him, it wouldn't have done anything to score points and win rounds. I think it would have resembled the Kovalev-Hopkins fight.

[robertzimmerman]

I've looked at some of the pro-Mayweather arguments and still do not see a way that Mayweather copes with the disadvantages. He can give up power and possibly even reach, but without a speed advantage, he's going to be slipping punches until a few too many land and put him away. Tommy was not only long but he fought tall, making his reach even more effective. That nullifies half of the Mayweathercounter punching game.

People try to get snarky saying past fighters get too much credit but they can't articulate any other argument for Floyd winning this. Forget about the different eras. It's just a bad match for Mayweather. I get the feeling that a lot of people are responding without even knowing about Hearns.

I've never seen one logical breakdown put forward of how Floyd could have won.

He would have been at a huge physical disadvantage.

His power could not have deterred Tommy from coming forward.

He could never have fought him and stopped him like Ray did.

It's illogical to think he could have out boxed him, considering that a bigger, stronger Ray, who was just as skilled and as fast as Floyd was, tried but failed.

There's no way he could have won.

[Reloaded]

Fantasy fights always take for granted that the very best version always turns up , real life is not like that and thats why fantasy fights are a crock of sht that are more about fans likes and dislikes than anything else .

I feel Tommy would get the win on size as Ive stated but looking through his fight videos I would bet good money Floyd would beat this Hearns if thats what turned up .

Watch all of this fight and then note Olajide is no where near as slick as Mayweather , I dont think a fight with Floyd is as one sided for Tommy as you guy like to put out .

[Chuckguy]

Simply because Floyd doesn't have the power to keep the hit man off of him

[SkillspayBills]

I'm one of the biggest Floyd fans here and I continuously say that Hearns beats Floyd 10 times out of 10. Just a horrible style match up for Floyd in every way shape and form.

[Ray Corso]

Tommy vs Michael is a long way from Tommy's best! That fight weighed Tommy in at 168 (super middle) and fighting at 180lbs, not 147lbs.

Floyd fans are the least knowledgeable next to Wlad fans I've heard. They are blind to the facts that higher skills mean offense and defense not just defense!
You saw Madiana's right hands bother Floyd in their first fight and he was hurt a few times too. Madiana is a club fighter compared to Hearns. The difference of power is immense also.

Whatever talking to this guy about this subject is a waste of time.
nite all.

[Redd Foxx]

Fantasy fights always take for granted that the very best version always turns up , real life is not like that and thats why fantasy fights are a crock of sht that are more about fans likes and dislikes than anything else .

I feel Tommy would get the win on size as Ive stated but looking through his fight videos I would bet good money Floyd would beat this Hearns if thats what turned up .

Watch all of this fight and then note Olajide is no where near as slick as Mayweather , I dont think a fight with Floyd is as one sided for Tommy as you guy like to put out .

An old 168lb Hearns in 1990 is the best argument for Floyd anyone can muster??

[BlackSoul]

The odds of Floyd doing that are not as good as the odds of Hearns controlling Floyd from the outside, as someone mentioned as an argument for Floyd, his best chance is to actually be aggressive, but I don't think he could pull that off either. This has nothing to do with Nostalgia, some people here don't know what they are talking about, but quite a few have put up valid arguments as to how and why Hearns would win. As I said in my original post I think it would be a chess match, but a chess match where Floyd just has too many disadvantages, or a better way to put it is that the disadvantages that he has are too much to overcome. He would definitely have success and win rounds, maybe 3, but anything more than that I find far fetched with their respective styles. I think if you asked Floyd Snr and Roger they would probably pick Hearns too, and remember they think and in fact all 3 brothers think Floyd whips Leonard.

You want to talk about ring generalship? Being a ring general against Cotto, Pacquiao, and Berto is not the same as being a ring general against Hearns at WW. Hearns would take centre ring and Floyd would struggle big time to impose himself, first of all there is a HUGE height and reach disadvantage, but more importantly Hearns knew how to maximise it. He could box, he had fast feet, fast hands, great fundamentals, Floyd would have to put himself out of position against Hearns, and at times I can see it looking similar to Haye and Klistchko. Not all the time, because Mayweather has better footwork and better fundamentals to Haye, but a bit like that at times. When you have a guy who is that good at fighting at his range you need something to take him out of that. Hearns is a KO threat in any round as well and that can't be overlooked when you are considering the likely scenarios. I actually think Floyd has a better chance against Leonard, Duran, and Hagler! The last pick might surprise people, but Hagler was not the biggest Middleweight and I think Floyd could outbox him.

Hearns is the worst match up for him. As I said in my original post - one thing which I also think people overlook in this match up is Manny Steward. He is a great tactician and he reads fights like no one I have seen in boxing. Hearns definitely had the better corner and thats just another thing for Floyd to contend with, its a nightmare match up for him, it really is.

best response. i wrote damn near the same exact thang but it seems none of the people actually look at PHYSICAL ADVANTAGES and look at THEORETICAL HYPOTHETICALS in order to give mayweather some kind of advantage. just didnt feel like respondin' no more to ppl who just dont get it. i have a VERY LOW tolerance for illogical responses.
best comment so far in this thread.
all you have to do is look at mayweathers opponents out of 49 how many had a "reach AND height" advantage over him?
and thats just basic fundamental talk on top of the fact that hearns is a NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT and mayweather could never "counter" him from that range of 6 inches and 5 inches up also people dont realize that when you punch UP it tires you out more and there is sooooo much more i can detail but will only open up with those who present logical responses

[BlackSoul]

Give it up ......floyd is just to small to ever last with hearns....the reason why floyd done ok as a welterweight is because he moved up with the other fighters ..mosley,Oscar,guerrero,marquez,pacquaio, Maidana, cotto....they all moved up....there not natural welterweights.....who else is there ....oh there's ortiz...do me a favour reloaded......thomas hearns was almost 6ft'2 ..78'inch reach...he had power that carried up to light heavyweight for Christ sake.....thomas hearns is on a completely different sphere to a floyd mayweather jnr.....it's only fanboys who think he could last with hearns

logical conclusion