Rate Peter Nelson's first 6 months of HBO Boxing Programming

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Much better than:

PBC Fighter vs Cab driver #7843643287634

[j0zef]

NO, we are giving North 3 stars, not the fights.

So don't have the 2 best JWW fight each other, have them fight someone else. ARe you serious? Here's what they do (depending on how the fight goes and the damage each sustains)afterwards-the winner fights the next top contender and the loser fights someone to try and get back to the top spot.

You are really disappointing me dude. How can you make an excuse like this. Ruenerong (sp) is a top contender and would be a tough test. So what if Chocalito might lose?

How would the whole industry go into chaos? The point(which you keep trying to avoid) is that Shabrynsky is perceived by most to be the better opponent and would be more appreciated by fans.

No the thread isn't. The thread asks a direct question regarding the head of HBO and what they have planned for the year so far. You seem to not want to criticize, for whatever reasons, when clearly these are not the best fights and in most cases are garbage fights.

I was specifically talking about post #10, when someone went through and rated all the major fights as 1 or 2 stars.

It's pretty rate for the best to fight the best immediately after winning a belt. We can all wish for that, but that's not how the industry has worked. Allowing Postol one voluntary before facing the #1 rated fighter is perfectly normal. In any case, it's not up to the network to reject a decent fight.

I don't give a **** ass about disappointing you. You're a nobody to me. Not sure why you keep bringing that up once in awhile.

Ruenreong is not a boxer. If his fights ever got judged by a competent referee he would have been disqualified in the first 30 seconds of round 1. He's punched people in the balls repeatedly, he's literally thrown them around the ring, he rabbit punches all the time. Boxing a sport. Twats like Ruenreong have no place in it.

... are you delusional? I've mentioned shabransky by name twice now. How is that avoiding? Do you live in your own little world? Like I said before, Shabransky MAY be better than Barrera. He may not. They're both undefeated, they're both highly rated. Boxrec has Shabransky as #18 while Barrera is 23. IBF has Barrera #1 contender and Shabransky 14. WBC has Shabransky 7th and Barrera right behind him at 8. The point is that both fighters are extremely close, and HBO would have been absolutely INSANE to even utter a squeak about not taking the Barrera fight. There's absolutely nothing to complain about here. Zip.

I'm not a brainless fanboy. I've criticized fighters I like (including Golovkin and Wlad - sticking with flavor of the month) and have given credit to fighters I dislike (including Ward and Fury). I've defended Ward from Golovkin fans who tried to say Wade is just as good as Barrera.

HBO's not perfect, but out of the fights mentioned in this thread, none of them are bad enough not to televise. If I had to pick, I wouldn't televise GGG/Wade. But they have to, GGG has a long layoff and is just coming off a PPV. They can't not put him on the air.
Just for the record, I think GGG/Wade is a much better fight than Khanelo, but infinitely less popular.

[The Big Dunn]

I was specifically talking about post #10, when someone went through and rated all the major fights as 1 or 2 stars.

It's pretty rate for the best to fight the best immediately after winning a belt. We can all wish for that, but that's not how the industry has worked. Allowing Postol one voluntary before facing the #1 rated fighter is perfectly normal. In any case, it's not up to the network to reject a decent fight.

I don't give a **** ass about disappointing you. You're a nobody to me. Not sure why you keep bringing that up once in awhile.

Ruenreong is not a boxer. If his fights ever got judged by a competent referee he would have been disqualified in the first 30 seconds of round 1. He's punched people in the balls repeatedly, he's literally thrown them around the ring, he rabbit punches all the time. Boxing a sport. Twats like Ruenreong have no place in it.

... are you delusional? I've mentioned shabransky by name twice now. How is that avoiding? Do you live in your own little world? Like I said before, Shabransky MAY be better than Barrera. He may not. They're both undefeated, they're both highly rated. Boxrec has Shabransky as #18 while Barrera is 23. IBF has Barrera #1 contender and Shabransky 14. WBC has Shabransky 7th and Barrera right behind him at 8. The point is that both fighters are extremely close, and HBO would have been absolutely INSANE to even utter a squeak about not taking the Barrera fight. There's absolutely nothing to complain about here. Zip.

I'm not a brainless fanboy. I've criticized fighters I like (including Golovkin and Wlad - sticking with flavor of the month) and have given credit to fighters I dislike (including Ward and Fury). I've defended Ward from Golovkin fans who tried to say Wade is just as good as Barrera.

HBO's not perfect, but out of the fights mentioned in this thread, none of them are bad enough not to televise. If I had to pick, I wouldn't televise GGG/Wade. But they have to, GGG has a long layoff and is just coming off a PPV. They can't not put him on the air.
Just for the record, I think GGG/Wade is a much better fight than Khanelo, but infinitely less popular.

Postol didn't want a voluntary, he wanted to fight Crawford. North and HBO absolutely could've forced the fight to be made if putting on the best fights rather than keeping the big names undefeated was their top priority.

Of course he is. If he is a rough brawler, so what. Besides, HBO teased the fight, then instead gave us this. Can't you see the problem?

I get your opinion on the 2 I am saying most people have SHabrynsky rated above Barrera. Also, you are someone that has questioned the IBF ranking system so to say IBF has Barerra as #1 all but proves he doesn't belong there, given what we know about how they rank people.

Its not that they aren't bad enough to televise, its that in every case there is a choice of opponent that would be better, hence why so many are giving him a low grade.

If they made the better choices and gave us GGG/Canelo now people would be much happier and grade would be higher. Hasn't there been enough showcase fights for guys with HBO deals?

[Fetta]

Fighters can't fight top talents all the time. If they did there would be no top talents left for them to fight. Crawford and Postol are both undefeated, of course they're both going to want to build up to a fight that people besides hardcore fans will tune in to see. Part of the point of showcase fights, besides keeping guys in shape, focused on the sport, and paid, is to show the fighters off to the public so they actually know who the guys are when big fights happen.

Been saying this for awhile now. Just because we know them doesnt mean itll be a big fight. Must showcase the fighters to build up their name.

Have a couple non-boxing friends who are asking about Thurman/Porter because they were matched up tough and then given a showcase fight. Last year they wouldnt have been asking cause they wouldnt have known who they were.

[The Big Dunn]

Been saying this for awhile now. Just because we know them doesnt mean itll be a big fight. Must showcase the fighters to build up their name.

Have a couple non-boxing friends who are asking about Thurman/Porter because they were matched up tough and then given a showcase fight. Last year they wouldnt have been asking cause they wouldnt have known who they were.

This works when the sport is strong. We are at a point where viewership is dwindling so it may not be advantageous for the sport to do it.

We keep waiting for fights to get bigger. Unfortunately, they do not happen and all the build up was wasted.

Take Postol and Crawford. neither is attractive to a bigger draw because they are risky. neither will gain exposure from beating bums. Maybe its best to have them fight now because in 6-8 months the fight will not have gotten bigger.

[j0zef]

Postol didn't want a voluntary, he wanted to fight Crawford. North and HBO absolutely could've forced the fight to be made if putting on the best fights rather than keeping the big names undefeated was their top priority.

Of course he is. If he is a rough brawler, so what. Besides, HBO teased the fight, then instead gave us this. Can't you see the problem?

I get your opinion on the 2 I am saying most people have SHabrynsky rated above Barrera. Also, you are someone that has questioned the IBF ranking system so to say IBF has Barerra as #1 all but proves he doesn't belong there, given what we know about how they rank people.

Its not that they aren't bad enough to televise, its that in every case there is a choice of opponent that would be better, hence why so many are giving him a low grade.

If they made the better choices and gave us GGG/Canelo now people would be much happier and grade would be higher. Hasn't there been enough showcase fights for guys with HBO deals?

I'm with you that generally, there is one or sometimes 2 better alternatives. My point is that:
1) It's not HBO's place to tell fighters who to fight if both fights make sense.
2) You can't give a low grade on a 5 point system if there's 1 or 2 better alternatives. A grade should correspond to something.

[The Big Dunn]

I'm with you that generally, there is one or sometimes 2 better alternatives. My point is that:
1) It's not HBO's place to tell fighters who to fight if both fights make sense.
2) You can't give a low grade on a 5 point system if there's 1 or 2 better alternatives. A grade should correspond to something.

I strongly disagree with #1. If HBO has an exclusive deal with a fighter, it becomes their place to tell them who to fight. If it wasn't, they wouldn't have the right to refuse an opponent.

Yes you can. The grade corresponds to the lack of quality fights, the "building" to fights that need not be built more, and the rematches that are pointless. These all factor in.

North made his choice and fans are reacting to it. How is that unfair?

[j0zef]

I strongly disagree with #1. If HBO has an exclusive deal with a fighter, it becomes their place to tell them who to fight. If it wasn't, they wouldn't have the right to refuse an opponent.

Yes you can. The grade corresponds to the lack of quality fights, the "building" to fights that need not be built more, and the rematches that are pointless. These all factor in.

North made his choice and fans are reacting to it. How is that unfair?

Come on man, this is getting silly. You have promoters trying to make the low risk/high reward fights, you have alphabet groups trying to enforce their own rules (unless they change them on the spot), you have fighters calling each other out. Into this steaming pile of crap, you want the network to start throwing their weight around as well?

What if a fighter had a mandatory but HBO didn't want to air the fight because it ****** (Kov-Mohammedi or GGG/Wade) Should the fighter break contract with HBO, or get stripped?

We're going in circles, and I hate pointless conversations.

[HanzGruber]

Much better than:

PBC Fighter vs Cab driver #7843643287634

None of those fights are more intriguing than Porter v thurman

[The Big Dunn]

Come on man, this is getting silly. You have promoters trying to make the low risk/high reward fights, you have alphabet groups trying to enforce their own rules (unless they change them on the spot), you have fighters calling each other out. Into this steaming pile of crap, you want the network to start throwing their weight around as well?

What if a fighter had a mandatory but HBO didn't want to air the fight because it ****** (Kov-Mohammedi or GGG/Wade) Should the fighter break contract with HBO, or get stripped?

We're going in circles, and I hate pointless conversations.

Yes, I think HBO can force better fights on their network, which is what they do all the time when they do not approve certain opponents.

HBO hasn't had a problem showing easy mando defenses for their signed fighters, which is what posters are complainging about. Its a false choice to say its defend against the mando or be stripped in GGG's case. If North forces Canelo/GGG now, the mando issue regarding wade doesn't come into play. By not doing this, we get 2 really crappy fights.

If you wish not to criticize HBO, so be it. I just think we could've gotten more.