Rate Peter Nelson's first 6 months of HBO Boxing Programming

[Aztekkas]

Was it Estrada who had outrageous money demands or Gonzalez?

Gonzalez. I believe he wanted 1 million plus for the rematch... Estrada didn't care how much they got, as long as it was fairly split. Although he did admit in later interviews that a major purse would be nice too for economic reasons, he also added that he would love to rematch Roman to prove he can beat him.

[IMDAZED]

Gonzalez. I believe he wanted 1 million plus for the rematch... Estrada didn't care how much they got, as long as it was fairly split. Although he did admit in later interviews that a major purse would be nice too for economic reasons, he also added that he would love to rematch Roman to prove he can beat him.

That's what I thought. I think it might have been even $2mil that Gonzalez asked for. And I would LOVE a rematch. Estrada is the most underrated fighter today.

I'm not sure what Nelson is trying to accomplish with Gonzalez here. Not like his big fights are gonna be PPV and they can build him toward that. His moves with Ward, GGG and Estrada have been questionable -- and seemingly biased but let's see how things progress.

[The Big Dunn]

I'm getting tired of your little snippy insults. Be a man. Nobody's deflecting anything, you're bringing your usual bull**** into a thread that craps on HBO.

As I said, Pascal/Kov happened because nobody else in top10 took the match. How hard is that to understand? What was the alternative? Sit and do nothing?
Chocolatito is fighting a top10 opponent next. With Estrada's outrageous money demands and Inoue saying he's not ready, they're all one as good as another.
Ward's moving into a new[ish] division after a long layoff. Give him a break before throwing him to the wolves. The fight is solid. Look at the LHW list. There were 3 possible names for him - Barrera, Shabransky and Beterbiev. Considering he has a 3 fight contract with Kov at the end, 2 of those 3 should be in the front. It makes sense to start with Barrera, especially with Artur coming off should surgery.
Postol just won a title, and they should give him a decent defense before throwing him back to the wolves.

And no, he should not mandate any fight. We already have diva fighters picking fights, 4 abc organizations with 30 belts each mandating fights. Last thing we need is to have the television network mandating fights.


The network's responsibility is to assist in promoting fighters and make sure they make a profit.

Dude, if you checked I am one of the people that gave him 3 stars, the highest vote he got. I didn't insult you.

Alternatives were offer the fight to Gonzalez (who most thought beat Pascal) or maybe mend fences with Haymon to make other fights possible.

No he isn't. I saw his opponent today. we were teased with ruenreong (spelling) but the choice (according to bad left hook)was hernandez (who he chose) and Mcwilliams Arroyo, a dude that last fought in 2014, losing to ruenerong.

We understand the ward fight but Shabrynsky is a better fight and doable. Pointing that out isn't crapping on the ward fight.

No, Postol doesn/t need a decent defense, he and crawford need to fight.

So you are ok with him refusing/not signing off on fights not mandating fights that are long overdue? Come on.

The fights I mentioed bring profit as well. There is no rsik to profit making these fights other than someone loses. Since an undefeated record isn't a big deal, why not make the better fights?

[BrometheusBob.]

Ali vs Vargas is a good fight
The Pac/Bradley card is pretty good overall but would have been great with Uchiyama/Walters as was being buzzed about
Matthysse/Herrera is OK

Overall I'd say the six month schedule is about 3 stars worthy. Nothing special.

How much better would it be if we were seeing/saw:

Jan 30th
Kovalev vs. Yuneski Gonzalez
Mikhaylenko vs. Mayfield

Feb. 27th
Crawford vs. Postol
Verdejo vs Silva

March 5th
Ortiz vs. Thompson
Ali vs. Vargas

March 26th
Ward vs. Shabrynsky
Herrera v Matthysse

April 9th
Pacquiao vs. Khan
Ramirez v Abraham
Valdez vs. Gradovich
J. Ramirez vs. Perez

May 7th
Canelo v Golovkin
Gonzalez vs. estrada

Yes its one less card but its so much more quality that we as boxing fans would be buzzing.

That would be a better six months than most I've ever seen that I can think of from any network.

[Pigeons]

Ward-Barrera is nice. The 2 PPV cards would be nice on regular HBO, but as PPVs they are both trash.

[PACnPBFsuck]

They're trying, wish we had better fights, but hopefully it'll get better.

Only interested in the Herrera vs Lucas and I wanna see Ali put a hurting on Vargas, really not worried about the rest of the menu, but I'll watch anyways.

[j0zef]

Dude, if you checked I am one of the people that gave him 3 stars, the highest vote he got. I didn't insult you.

Alternatives were offer the fight to Gonzalez (who most thought beat Pascal) or maybe mend fences with Haymon to make other fights possible.

No he isn't. I saw his opponent today. we were teased with ruenreong (spelling) but the choice (according to bad left hook)was hernandez (who he chose) and Mcwilliams Arroyo, a dude that last fought in 2014, losing to ruenerong.

We understand the ward fight but Shabrynsky is a better fight and doable. Pointing that out isn't crapping on the ward fight.

No, Postol doesn/t need a decent defense, he and crawford need to fight.

So you are ok with him refusing/not signing off on fights not mandating fights that are long overdue? Come on.

The fights I mentioed bring profit as well. There is no rsik to profit making these fights other than someone loses. Since an undefeated record isn't a big deal, why not make the better fights?

That's exactly what I am talking about. You and the rest of the people are giving fights 1,2,3 stars when there's MAYBE 1 better alternative.

And no, they should not make TC/Postol fight immediately. Those are #1 and #2 in the division. If they fight immediately, then what are they gonna do afterwards?

Regards to Ruenroeng, I didn't know about that, but honestly I do not blame Roman for not taking that fight, ever. I've read articles and watched that guy fight. He's ultra dirty and has a god awful reputation. Wasn't he like a convict or something?

Shabransky may be better than Barrera, he may not be. They're both unproven, undefeated and highly rated. Ward chose Barrera. If HBO started nitpicking between them and refused to televise the Barrera fight, the whole industry would go into chaos. They didn't show the Ward/Smith matchup. But refusing Barrera/Ward in favor of Shabransky/Ward? That's ******ed. Your problem is with Ward, not HBO.


This thread is based on assumption that HBO should refuse some of these fights. That's a ridiculous concept. If you want to try to fault someone, blame the fighters or the alphabet organizations.

[Aztekkas]

That's what I thought. I think it might have been even $2mil that Gonzalez asked for. And I would LOVE a rematch. Estrada is the most underrated fighter today.

I'm not sure what Nelson is trying to accomplish with Gonzalez here. Not like his big fights are gonna be PPV and they can build him toward that. His moves with Ward, GGG and Estrada have been questionable -- and seemingly biased but let's see how things progress.

He did ask for 1 million at first and then bumped it up to 2. Then he went back on his word and said he wouldn't do it for less than a million. Estrada, on the other hand said he would be contented with a fair purse split, whether it be a million, more or less. I believe Estrada is more aware of their standing and is more level headed than Roman. I don't understand how Roman went from fighting a bum with damn near 30 losses in Nicaragua one day, to asking for millions of dollars for a rematch after a win over a bloated has been in Sosa the next.

Estrada has said in numerous interviews that even though the million dollar plus purse sounds amazing, truth of the matter is they fight in a weight division where the general public has very little care for. Sad but true.

I would love the rematch myself. Estrada was supposed to fight in December, it got pushed to January.. Then he suffered a hand injury and has been further pushed back since. He recently acknowledged the fact that he needs to fight more, sadly his injuries prohibited him from doing so lately.

Idk man.. Something about Roman rubs me the wrong way. Perhaps it's his generic "good guy" image, or the fact that his bandwagon fans irritate the **** out of me. I really want the rematch so I can watch Estrada solidify his spot as the best boxer out of Mexico currently.

I'm getting tired of your little snippy insults. Be a man. Nobody's deflecting anything, you're bringing your usual bull**** into a thread that craps on HBO.

As I said, Pascal/Kov happened because nobody else in top10 took the match. How hard is that to understand? What was the alternative? Sit and do nothing?
Chocolatito is fighting a top10 opponent next. With Estrada's outrageous money demands and Inoue saying he's not ready, they're all one as good as another.
Ward's moving into a new[ish] division after a long layoff. Give him a break before throwing him to the wolves. The fight is solid. Look at the LHW list. There were 3 possible names for him - Barrera, Shabransky and Beterbiev. Considering he has a 3 fight contract with Kov at the end, 2 of those 3 should be in the front. It makes sense to start with Barrera, especially with Artur coming off should surgery.
Postol just won a title, and they should give him a decent defense before throwing him back to the wolves.

And no, he should not mandate any fight. We already have diva fighters picking fights, 4 abc organizations with 30 belts each mandating fights. Last thing we need is to have the television network mandating fights.


The network's responsibility is to assist in promoting fighters and make sure they make a profit.

Estrada's outrageous demands? It was Roman. Don't believe me? Look it up, it's all documented here on Boxingscene.

Anyway, HBO has some exciting fights in the coming months.

Valdez vs Gradovich

Abraham vs Ramirez

Roman Gonzalez vs Juan Hernandez(Churritos is underrated, I think he can pull it off) - also, Juan has a similar style to Estrada in regards to lateral movement and combinations, could this be the set up fight for Estrada vs Roman II later on his year? Awesome.

Ward vs Barrera is a good fight.

Khan vs Canelo is unexpected, to say the least.

Ali vs Vargas is pretty darn good.

Plus many, many more. It's not amazing but it's pretty freaking solid. I'd say 3 stars it about right.

[CaneloMaidana]

It's been trash.

[-Kev-]

He's taking over an HBO with a very poor budget. When you adjust the budget for inflation and compare it with the older budgets, it's even worse.