Was the Bradley-Rios card the beginning of the end for HBO?

[Rich2123]

Who told you that HBO gets 25% of Pay-Per-View gross?

From this source and others, it appears to be less than 8%.

http://www.secondsout.com/ringside/t...f-pay-per-view

I've always read that the promoters got half the PPV split and the Cable channels and providers took the other half.

I'm surprised the number is quite that low for the cable channel, but it's still a good chunk of change for something they have no real risk in. For example, I know if a Top Rank card tanks, Top Rank the ones who eat the loss.

This is a good article, and I know that the dude who wrote this knows more than me, but it is fair to point out that this is an older article (it seems to have been written in 2001, it mentions 2 fights from that year and the average cost they use is 39.95). It wouldn't surprise me if the split has gone up since then.

[PKing]

I've always read that the promoters got half the PPV split and the Cable channels and providers took the other half.

I'm surprised the number is quite that low for the cable channel, but it's still a good chunk of change for something they have no real risk in. If a Top Rank card tanks, they're the ones who eat the loss.

This is a good article, and I know that the dude who wrote this knows more than me, but it is fair to point out that this is an older article (it seems to have been written in 2001, it mentions 2 fights from that year and the average cost they use is 39.95). It wouldn't surprise me if the split has gone up since then.

That'd be pure speculation on your part.

7.5% of GGG's last event would bring in $700k for HBO minus their marketing costs. No surprise Taffett left.

[HeroBando]

What upswing?

I know Kirkland-Canelo took place a week AFTER May-Pac. What are these "upswing" events you refer to?

First you had GGG Murray doing best ever overseas afternoon numbers. Then Wlad Jennings best ratings since 2012, then Canelo Kirkland smashing that. Then later Wlad Fury smashing Ggg Murray record. So I guess they haven't lost as much momentum as the rest. It's cause HBO is the home of boxing

[PKing]

First you had GGG Murray doing best ever overseas afternoon numbers. Then Wlad Jennings best ratings since 2012, then Canelo Kirkland smashing that. Then later Wlad Fury smashing Ggg Murray record. So I guess they haven't lost as much momentum as the rest. It's cause HBO is the home of boxing

What numbers did GGG-Murray do? (Update: 862,000 average) Seriously? You are trying to say an 862,000 average is good? LOL

What did Wlad-Fury do? (Update: 1.038M for the heavyweights on HBO is considered a great "upswing"?)

I'm curious as to what you consider as "great" viewership because the numbers in 2009 that HBO CEO Bill Nelson was complaining about still seem HIGHER than what HBO has averaged in the past 18 months.

[HeroBando]

What numbers did GGG-Murray do?

What did Wlad-Fury do?

I'm curious as to what you consider as "great" viewership because the numbers in 2009 that HBO CEO Bill Nelson was complaining about still seem HIGHER than what HBO has averaged in the past 18 months.

You can look them up easy. You'll find that afternoon GGG Murray did almost 3x as 2 best US MWs on prime time cable. Again dude, its sad there's a waning interest in boxing all around. So what, now you're sticking it to us boxing fans? You an Mma troll?

[PKing]

You can look them up easy. You'll find that afternoon GGG Murray did almost 3x as 2 best US MWs on prime time cable. Again dude, its sad there's a waning interest in boxing all around. So what, now you're sticking it to us boxing fans? You an Mma troll?

I found the number. It's less than 900k.

You sound frustrated, are you frustrated? LOL

[Rich2123]

What numbers did GGG-Murray do? (Update: 862,000 average) Seriously? You are trying to say an 862,000 average is good? LOL

What did Wlad-Fury do? (Update: 1.038M for the heavyweights on HBO is considered a great "upswing"?).

When was the last time an American promoter had a big card on a Saturday afternoon in America? There's a reason for that. I just don't think Americans want to watch a fight during the day.

I would bet the first part of the PBC experiment to go will be the daytime shows. Or they will be stripped down to FS1 level prospect events.

[PKing]

When was the last time an American promoter had a big card on a Saturday afternoon in America? There's a reason for that. I just don't think Americans want to watch a fight during the day.

I would bet the first part of the PBC experiment to go will be the daytime shows. Or they will be stripped down to FS1 level prospect events.

Who cares.... nobody.

[sicko]

HBO and Boxing IN GENERAL is so out of touch it is kinda embarrassing as a Boxing Fan. You see what UFC is doing and how they Promote and is very active on Social Media and then you have boxing in which Promoters are still using Terrestrial Radio Commercials as a Marketing Tool

That is now how you reach the Masses Boxing, hey boxing you know those little devices that everybody look down at ALL DAY. Ok now figure out a way to market to them, once you figure out how to do that then ratings will go up.

Doesn't have **** to do with fighters style, Race or any of that stuff I just think the sport of boxing is out of touch and outdated in the US and it has fallen behind the UFC. While the UFC built up New Stars and they get Jon Jones back soon which will really help them leaving boxing in the Dust

[HeroBando]

I found the number. It's less than 900k.

You sound frustrated, are you frustrated? LOL

I'm not frustrated enough to make an alt and 3 threads a day hoping for downfall of boxing premier outlet lol. Here have a look, numbers went all time low when Haymon had a free reign at HBO:

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-bo...e-of-us-boxing

Now they're doing similar numbers but spending less, while Showtime is really suffering while spending way more.