Comments Thread For: Kovalev's Manager Reveals The Terms For Stevenson Unification

[killakali]

fine u finally got one right..he had a contract..but for god knows wat
and yes a showtime ppv would be considered him being under contract..thats like saying if floyd fought on cbs instead of ppv it wouldnt have counted as his last fight..
u'll have to prove that

again your not reading correctly. i said an undercard fight on a ppv. not the headline fight. come to your senses

[tiliheels]

again your not reading correctly. I said an undercard fight on a ppv. Not the headline fight. Come to your senses

it is a showtime card dude..that is 3 fights..he fullfilled his deal..u really think showtime wouldnt get a piece of a ppv that could be this big dude wtf are you smoking?

[tiliheels]

lmaooo u got owned and know it. what do canelo and khan not deservie the best promotion and both networks?? lmaooooooo somehow ggg got brought into this conversation out of left field. stevenson should have taken the fight and you know it. just like khan took it and it was the right thing. just your bias and eternal hatred blinds you

CAN YOU COUNT TO 3? KHAN HAS DONE 3 SHOWTIME FIGHTS!
HE IS NOT SIGNED AND LIKELY THEY DONT HAVE OPTIONS ON HIM IF HE FULFILLED HIS 3 FIGHTS!

but when did ggg or kovalve prove to the star canelo is?
no u have bias u want haymon gone..i just want all these mfs to get to work and make the best fights..u are new to these threads bc u are likely a person taht came inteh sport hating floyd as of rcent and you learned that floyd hate means u have to hate haymon too...so i konw your type..

[killakali]

it is a showtime card dude..that is 3 fights..he fullfilled his deal..u really think showtime wouldnt get a piece of a ppv that could be this big dude wtf are you smoking?

Just like the Stevenson Kovalev situation. Stevenson's team didn't even ask for Showtimes involvement until the end. They didn't have to include them. It was a way to back out of a deal.

[killakali]

CAN YOU COUNT TO 3? KHAN HAS DONE 3 SHOWTIME FIGHTS!
HE IS NOT SIGNED AND LIKELY THEY DONT HAVE OPTIONS ON HIM IF HE FULFILLED HIS 3 FIGHTS!

but when did ggg or kovalve prove to the star canelo is?
no u have bias u want haymon gone..i just want all these mfs to get to work and make the best fights..u are new to these threads bc u are likely a person taht came inteh sport hating floyd as of rcent and you learned that floyd hate means u have to hate haymon too...so i konw your type..

i'm a huge Floyd fan and it greatly offends me u try to compare these clowns to him. Floyd never ducked like this.

I just want the best fights and we had Kovalev Stevenson wrapped up until at the 11th hour they insisted in Showtimes involvement when they know it wasn't needed.

[Scipio2009]

now this is truly funny. Actually hilarious. Where to begin....

First you are right that ppv comes in over time and Stevenson already fights on canadian ppv so he is used to that and it isn't an issue. Floyd Manny Canelo Cotto Marquez etc don't have an issue with it and apparently Ward and Kovalev don't either since they are slated to fight on ppv in the fall.

2nd "I doubt that Showtime shed any tears over missing out on air Khan vs Josesito Lopez (or whatever non-threatening touch Team Khan was angling for)." this is so funny intentionally or pure ******ity. Lets look at Stevenson's last three opponents. His last fight on Showtime was Shobox vs Sukhotsy (there is a real barnburner for you!!), then the always exciting Sakio Bika moving up in weight lmaooooo, and then the immortal club fighter Tommy Karpency. Yeah Showtime couldn't afford to let him go fight on HBO for one fight and miss out on another one of those classics!!!!

Yet they let didn't shed any tears (lmmmmaooo) for Khan who fought actual former champions in Devon Alexander and Chris Algieri and is in the hottest division in boxing and had a mandatory vs Danny Garcia coming up that is a big fight and if he didn't exercise his mandatory could have fought Kell Brook in a massive fight that sho would have broadcast or fought the thurman porter winner.

just call it like it is....you are showtime/pbc fanboy. these guys can do no wrong in your eyes and like a sheep you blindly follow. You know, like I know, and everyone knows, Wade did the right thing by fighting GGG on HBO. Hell he struggled with an old soliman he might as well get paid and take a shot. He might lose before ever getting another shot. Khan did the right thing bailing on Sho to get paid and get a big opportunity and Stevenson should have done the same thing and took the Kovalev fight. he would have been back to pbc/sho right after and could have secured the bika or sukhotsky, or karpency rematch and been right back in the thick of things.

Problem is your herd like mentality got the best of you and you cannot criticize haymon or showtime. all these promoters and networks make mistakes. This was haymon's mistake. GB, ME, TR all make them too. So does HBO yet you will call them on it and not pbc/show because your bias and hate is too great.

-Floyd, Cotto, Pacquiao, Alvarez, Marquez, etc never had to wait 16 months to pick up 80% of their money, which would be the case under Duva's deal (if those projected numbers are even close to being accurate). Floyd is an extreme example, but Floyd was getting $35m as his guarantee (with the final total being $40m); the notion that Floyd would leave 80% of his take as money that he might get is silly.

-Showtime invested in Stevenson; the initial move was made to secure a big fight for Bernard Hopkins, but they've stuck behind the lineal heavyweight champion even still. Stevenson-Fonfara, Stevenson-Sukhotsky, and Stevenson-Bika were all within the Showtime/CBS umbrella (the PBC structure through things off a bit, which was expected). Stevenson-Karpency was on SpikeTV, but Stevenson-Alvarez and Stevenson Fonfara II are both fights that seem likely for Showtime, who aren't crying about Stevenson. Interesting that you're happy to defend a network that wants to get every fight on the cheap though. And, if your argument is that Khan-Algieri and Khan-Alexander were hotly anticipated showdowns, that's on you.

-I like fights, full stop; the more competitive the fight, the better. HBO does a great job of "selling the story". They just do a **** job at putting on compelling fights.

I'll watch any Andre Ward fight, for the simple fact that I'm an Andre Ward fan, and I'll go an see compelling fights (Cotto-Alvarez, Pacquiao-Bradley, Hopkins-Kovalev, Pacquiao-Marquez III, I believe Pacquiao-Marquez IV, and a few other matchups were good enough to get me to my sports bar), but I haven't had the need to carry HBO for years now (GoT was never something that interested me) because the boxing hasn't merited my time.

ShoBox, delivering the quadrupleheaders of 50/50 and 60/40 fights, was a godsend to me. Showtime putting up the money, to push the tripleheader and quadrupleheaders from Golden Boy cinched things for me. The fallout at Golden Boy led to a lot of **** shows, but that slog was done, and the quality of the fights picked up. During this "PBC effort", Showtime is missing out on most of the stars, but the ShoBox fights are still good fights, and the bulk of the fights that they've gotten otherwise have been solid, with some duds mixed in.

I follow the fights; the only one with the herd mentality is you.

HBO, with the end of Tyson by Lewis, finally established itself as the place for the best fights by 2001/2002, though they'd been approaching that status since the late 90's. HBO had their run, started to cut back on their boxing budget, and hung their hat on their reputation covering up for the deterioration of their boxing content, especially after 2012.

When they stopped feeling the need to pay for fights, Showtime stepped into the void and ate HBO's lunch.

If HBO puts on 15 shows this year, I'd be impressed. Heck, if they put on 5 competitive shows, I'd be impressed.

[killakali]

-Floyd, Cotto, Pacquiao, Alvarez, Marquez, etc never had to wait 16 months to pick up 80% of their money, which would be the case under Duva's deal (if those projected numbers are even close to being accurate). Floyd is an extreme example, but Floyd was getting $35m as his guarantee (with the final total being $40m); the notion that Floyd would leave 80% of his take as money that he might get is silly.

-Showtime invested in Stevenson; the initial move was made to secure a big fight for Bernard Hopkins, but they've stuck behind the lineal heavyweight champion even still. Stevenson-Fonfara, Stevenson-Sukhotsky, and Stevenson-Bika were all within the Showtime/CBS umbrella (the PBC structure through things off a bit, which was expected). Stevenson-Karpency was on SpikeTV, but Stevenson-Alvarez and Stevenson Fonfara II are both fights that seem likely for Showtime, who aren't crying about Stevenson. Interesting that you're happy to defend a network that wants to get every fight on the cheap though. And, if your argument is that Khan-Algieri and Khan-Alexander were hotly anticipated showdowns, that's on you.

-I like fights, full stop; the more competitive the fight, the better. HBO does a great job of "selling the story". They just do a **** job at putting on compelling fights.

I'll watch any Andre Ward fight, for the simple fact that I'm an Andre Ward fan, and I'll go an see compelling fights (Cotto-Alvarez, Pacquiao-Bradley, Hopkins-Kovalev, Pacquiao-Marquez III, I believe Pacquiao-Marquez IV, and a few other matchups were good enough to get me to my sports bar), but I haven't had the need to carry HBO for years now (GoT was never something that interested me) because the boxing hasn't merited my time.

ShoBox, delivering the quadrupleheaders of 50/50 and 60/40 fights, was a godsend to me. Showtime putting up the money, to push the tripleheader and quadrupleheaders from Golden Boy cinched things for me. The fallout at Golden Boy led to a lot of **** shows, but that slog was done, and the quality of the fights picked up. During this "PBC effort", Showtime is missing out on most of the stars, but the ShoBox fights are still good fights, and the bulk of the fights that they've gotten otherwise have been solid, with some duds mixed in.

I follow the fights; the only one with the herd mentality is you.

HBO, with the end of Tyson by Lewis, finally established itself as the place for the best fights by 2001/2002, though

actually u follow the herd. since the fonfara fight stevenson has only fought garbage. Had better fights on HBO. That is a fact. Better opponents and Fonfara was a 25-1 underdog and was supposed to get smoked. By pure luck the fight was competitive which is more an indictment against Stevenson.

You said that Khan has had bad ratings since his ko loss to Garcia and no one at showtime will shed a tear for his loss and you bass his fights against alexander and algieri even though both of them are WAY more high profile than the garbage stevenson has been facing.

What is funny is that since Khan isn't "big" in the public eye his fight against Alexander blew away Stevenson's last fight on showtime in the ratings that were one day apart and Khan's fight on Spike destroyed Stevensons fight on spike in the ratings department. So if Khan has fallen that far off in the ratings game you must really think stevenson is irrelevant going by your logic. cheers.

[tiliheels]

Just like the Stevenson Kovalev situation. Stevenson's team didn't even ask for Showtimes involvement until the end. They didn't have to include them. It was a way to back out of a deal.

steveson team came out on twitter and said we agreed to hbo if they invovle showtime..the offered that dude...u think he is going to offer anything remotely close to acceptbale if he is scared?

it is a negotiation dUDE parties NEGOTIATE..U DONT JUST LET A PERSON DICTATE TO YOU

[tiliheels]

i'm a huge Floyd fan and it greatly offends me u try to compare these clowns to him. Floyd never ducked like this.

I just want the best fights and we had Kovalev Stevenson wrapped up until at the 11th hour they insisted in Showtimes involvement when they know it wasn't needed.

it was wrapped up it its 11th hour when stevenson stayed in teh purse bid and kathy didnt after calling him a chicken that would pull out

she can do wat is best for her business and relationships but haymon cant?
dude u need a grip on life!

[Scipio2009]

actually u follow the herd. since the fonfara fight stevenson has only fought garbage. Had better fights on HBO. That is a fact. Better opponents and Fonfara was a 25-1 underdog and was supposed to get smoked. By pure luck the fight was competitive which is more an indictment against Stevenson.

You said that Khan has had bad ratings since his ko loss to Garcia and no one at showtime will shed a tear for his loss and you bass his fights against alexander and algieri even though both of them are WAY more high profile than the garbage stevenson has been facing.

What is funny is that since Khan isn't "big" in the public eye his fight against Alexander blew away Stevenson's last fight on showtime in the ratings that were one day apart and Khan's fight on Spike destroyed Stevensons fight on spike in the ratings department. So if Khan has fallen that far off in the ratings game you must really think stevenson is irrelevant going by your logic. cheers.

When did I say that Amir Khan has had bad ratings since the Garcia loss? lol; I've simply stated that Khan has failed to impress in any fight since then, and that run has come against largely soft opposition. Defend that garbage if you want.

Stevenson-Alvarez is an interesting fight, as is Stevenson-Fonfara II, both will likely be carried on Showtime, supported by good cards.

If you want to shell out $70 to watch Alvarez-Khan (with Hopkins vs Chudinov/Sturm winner as the chief support), go ahead.