Comments Thread For: Kovalev's Manager Reveals The Terms For Stevenson Unification

[Scipio2009]

It's the *first* 2 million. That means the first two mil that come in are Stevenson's. It's guaranteed and if you doubt it'll make less money it makes even less sense to split it with another less successful network that has nothing to do with it. It's ALREADY 50-50. If it was in the best interest of "money" they'd fight in a russian stadium and sho would stilll not be involved. Know why it's not jn Russia? Because Stevenson wont even come to America or fight him in Canada. Adonis has zero leverage. Zero. Kovalev is by far the bigger name now. 15 mil is just a projection. It could be more, it could be less. Even at 8-9 mil that's still 4-4.5 mil. :/

You already know that that's not the reality; the notion that Klimas would let his fighter not take home a penny on the fight (PPV money comes in over 16 months, so that'd likely mean that Stevenson would walk off with the entire live gate) is silly.

Michel isn't considering Showtime because he wants to "cut Espinoza in"; he's looking at HBO/Showtime(discounting any overlap) having access to 50m homes, sees how HBO was only able to get over 100k PPV buys for Golovkin from their 35m homes, and figures the only way that they get close to what's been promised is to bring someone else in (Michel's allegience, as Duva's should be, is to his fighter and his company; not a TV network).

Projections are supposed to be reasonable gauges of income expectations; if you are confident that the number is likely to be this, spending that little extra money on marketing is no issue, as your budgets show you that you can get that money back.

If Duva is confident to stake her name on the $15m projection, which Michel seems to earnestly doubt, why not up the guarantee? Guarantee Stevenson $4m, and guarantee Kovalev $4m, since the projections are allegedly accurate.

Because, if you compare Duva's structure against the structure for Golovkin-Lemieux (initial set up for MSG was only for 17k seats, with 150k PPV buys @$50 as the alleged breakeven), you would figure that Duva, when asked to lay her money down, only actually views the fight as a $6m fight.

[Scipio2009]

Stories about it have been on this site with quotes from ryabysky tbh

A link to even one of these stories (notice how there hasn't been any mention of the Wilder-Povetkin talks ending/breaking off) would be helpful to the conversation.

Simply going with a platitude isn't going to work

[tiliheels]

khan a 3 fight deal with showtime. google it. now you are looking even more foolish

and he's fought on ppv, he fought devon, and he fought diaz! that is 3 fights on showtime my friend. are you saying he is still tied to showtime time? that deal is up!
maybe you are arguing my solid numbers in a contract argument: to that i say this..i dont put every detail in a message i expect u to get some of it yourself bro

my comment is not to say that wont put in specific numbers..but if they dont make return it is likely that those numbers mean less than the outs that they have in the contract..and also showtime has adjusted to how business is being done since the pbc if u havent noticed..there aqre not flat out stars so they likely are trying to pursue deals for a fighter only when he has a big fight...it is smart..

[Scipio2009]

U don't seem to get the Economics. If the gate is 1mil vs 4mil it doesn't take 3mil out of the pot for his fighter. His fighter is getting 50-50 and that isn't straight to the fighter. Promoters get a cut. And u don't wait 16 months for the other ppv money to come in. It comes in monthly.

Let's be honest. Stevenson's appeal in Quebec has dwindled. Look at his recent attendance figures and this is with tons of giveaways. There is a reason he fought in Toronto and those figures were dismal as well.

Showtime not getting cut in on khan is way bigger loss than not being on Kovalev Stevenson.

If the deal that Stevenson's camp is being sold is that they're getting 50/50 on a $15m fight when, in actuality, they're getting 50/50 on a $7m fight, GYM would've been sold a bill, at rates that GYM could've likely helped make bigger (if actually involved in the work).

PPV money comes in, in chunks, over 16 months from an event (largely do to when the cable operators have their customers pay their bill, with late payments/corrections/defaulters factored over the time frame).

If you want to stake your hat on some foolish notion that Stevenson fighting in Canada is bad business, with Kovalev only able to sell 1k tickets in Vegas, so be it.

Lastly, Khan is in his own boat; since getting flattened by Danny Garcia, the US TV interest hasn't actually been there in the way things have been marketed. Khan's entire pitch hinges on him being the UK star; with Khan not wanting to take on Kell Brook, I doubt that Showtime shed any tears over missing out on air Khan vs Josesito Lopez (or whatever non-threatening touch Team Khan was angling for).

[killakali]

no..no..haymon isnt goint to tell showtime to lose money and they be fine with it..i doubt that..that is a business relationship killing move..if they have options they will have to get something great from haymon to take their hand out the point...but all of that takes negotiations, but kathy duva put a deadline on it all instead of working for wat is best for the fans..it is all business she keeps pulling out when it gets good

i never talked GGG contract being up..u have the wrong person..he is stuck to hbo.

in the article Yvon Michel states loyalty for wanting to bring in showtime and not a contract. he never says hes bound to showtime. he can fight on hbo. they just don't want the fight. khan had a showtime contract and is fighting on hbo he isn't showing that same "loyalty" and is getting a big fight. stevenson can fight karpency in a rematch. fighting kovalev was an opportunity to jump start his flailing career

[killakali]

and he's fought on ppv, he fought devon, and he fought diaz! that is 3 fights on showtime my friend. are you saying he is still tied to showtime time? that deal is up!
maybe you are arguing my solid numbers in a contract argument: to that i say this..i dont put every detail in a message i expect u to get some of it yourself bro

my comment is not to say that wont put in specific numbers..but if they dont make return it is likely that those numbers mean less than the outs that they have in the contract..and also showtime has adjusted to how business is being done since the pbc if u havent noticed..there aqre not flat out stars so they likely are trying to pursue deals for a fighter only when he has a big fight...it is smart..

fights on ppv undercards aren't part of his contract and u said he neverhad a contract with show

[killakali]

If the deal that Stevenson's camp is being sold is that they're getting 50/50 on a $15m fight when, in actuality, they're getting 50/50 on a $7m fight, GYM would've been sold a bill, at rates that GYM could've likely helped make bigger (if actually involved in the work).

PPV money comes in, in chunks, over 16 months from an event (largely do to when the cable operators have their customers pay their bill, with late payments/corrections/defaulters factored over the time frame).

If you want to stake your hat on some foolish notion that Stevenson fighting in Canada is bad business, with Kovalev only able to sell 1k tickets in Vegas, so be it.

Lastly, Khan is in his own boat; since getting flattened by Danny Garcia, the US TV interest hasn't actually been there in the way things have been marketed. Khan's entire pitch hinges on him being the UK star; with Khan not wanting to take on Kell Brook, I doubt that Showtime shed any tears over missing out on air Khan vs Josesito Lopez (or whatever non-threatening touch Team Khan was angling for).

now this is truly funny. Actually hilarious. Where to begin....

First you are right that ppv comes in over time and Stevenson already fights on canadian ppv so he is used to that and it isn't an issue. Floyd Manny Canelo Cotto Marquez etc don't have an issue with it and apparently Ward and Kovalev don't either since they are slated to fight on ppv in the fall.

2nd "I doubt that Showtime shed any tears over missing out on air Khan vs Josesito Lopez (or whatever non-threatening touch Team Khan was angling for)." this is so funny intentionally or pure ******ity. Lets look at Stevenson's last three opponents. His last fight on Showtime was Shobox vs Sukhotsy (there is a real barnburner for you!!), then the always exciting Sakio Bika moving up in weight lmaooooo, and then the immortal club fighter Tommy Karpency. Yeah Showtime couldn't afford to let him go fight on HBO for one fight and miss out on another one of those classics!!!!

Yet they let didn't shed any tears (lmmmmaooo) for Khan who fought actual former champions in Devon Alexander and Chris Algieri and is in the hottest division in boxing and had a mandatory vs Danny Garcia coming up that is a big fight and if he didn't exercise his mandatory could have fought Kell Brook in a massive fight that sho would have broadcast or fought the thurman porter winner.

just call it like it is....you are showtime/pbc fanboy. these guys can do no wrong in your eyes and like a sheep you blindly follow. You know, like I know, and everyone knows, Wade did the right thing by fighting GGG on HBO. Hell he struggled with an old soliman he might as well get paid and take a shot. He might lose before ever getting another shot. Khan did the right thing bailing on Sho to get paid and get a big opportunity and Stevenson should have done the same thing and took the Kovalev fight. he would have been back to pbc/sho right after and could have secured the bika or sukhotsky, or karpency rematch and been right back in the thick of things.

Problem is your herd like mentality got the best of you and you cannot criticize haymon or showtime. all these promoters and networks make mistakes. This was haymon's mistake. GB, ME, TR all make them too. So does HBO yet you will call them on it and not pbc/show because your bias and hate is too great.

[tiliheels]

fights on ppv undercards aren't part of his contract and u said he neverhad a contract with show

fine u finally got one right..he had a contract..but for god knows wat
and yes a showtime ppv would be considered him being under contract..thats like saying if floyd fought on cbs instead of ppv it wouldnt have counted as his last fight..
u'll have to prove that

[tiliheels]

in the article Yvon Michel states loyalty for wanting to bring in showtime and not a contract. he never says hes bound to showtime. he can fight on hbo. they just don't want the fight. khan had a showtime contract and is fighting on hbo he isn't showing that same "loyalty" and is getting a big fight. stevenson can fight karpency in a rematch. fighting kovalev was an opportunity to jump start his flailing career

so one word "loyalty" is supposed to win you and agrument?
foh dude he has his fighters best interest in his hands..ggg just flopped on hbo..he will not let that happen to his fighter when he has the means to do so..

contract, loyalty, business relations, w/e...hbo just flopped and there prediction numbers for this fight show they are willing to do it again lol...u dont get back end money flopping..both fighters deserve teh best promotion not 97k...work together

[killakali]

so one word "loyalty" is supposed to win you and agrument?
foh dude he has his fighters best interest in his hands..ggg just flopped on hbo..he will not let that happen to his fighter when he has the means to do so..

contract, loyalty, business relations, w/e...hbo just flopped and there prediction numbers for this fight show they are willing to do it again lol...u dont get back end money flopping..both fighters deserve teh best promotion not 97k...work together

lmaooo u got owned and know it. what do canelo and khan not deservie the best promotion and both networks?? lmaooooooo somehow ggg got brought into this conversation out of left field. stevenson should have taken the fight and you know it. just like khan took it and it was the right thing. just your bias and eternal hatred blinds you