If Ward asked Kovalev for a 172 lb catch weight would it be an issue?

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  • Hype job
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    #41
    Yes. Kovalev doesn't make weight easy.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Pigeons
      If Andre Ward asked for a catchweight for Kovalev, he would be a scared coward. But Andre Ward is not a scared coward. Andre Ward is a man. Andre Ward will fight Kovalev at 175. Not only that, but Andre Ward will knock Kovalev out at 175. Ward sees the china Kovalev is packing.

      On the other hand, Gennady Golovkin is a coward. That is why he asks for catchweights for fights he knows he can't win.

      Gennady Golovkin is a coward. Andre Ward is a man. Gennady Golovkin wants to drag a junior middleweight to 160. Andre Ward moved up to 175 to fight the killer in the division.

      Andre Ward is a man.

      Gennady Golovkin is a coward.
      this is a strange post full of hypocrisy. ggg wants to fight the 160 pound champ at 160 and he's a coward but ward who fought the 175 pound champ at 168 is a man? ward wanted to drag ggg up and thats ok but ggg vs canelo is not ok? also i didn't realize paul smith and sullivan barrera were the killers of 175. and finally using your own logic floyd is a coward for fighting canelo at 152 and dragging marquez up 2 divisions. please try to make sense next time you post.

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        #43
        Originally posted by !WAR KOVALEV!
        wtf does race have to do with it? lmfao you fools are so weird. You guys let that pactard vs flomo war you guys had going on for the last half decade alter the way you fools think for the rest of your lives lol.

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          #44
          Originally posted by -Kev-
          If he's okay with fighting Sullivan at 175 but not Kovalev at 175, that would be a scared-guy move.
          No it's not. If you know you're a cut above somebody, you're not gonna b*tch about 3 pounds because if you do, the other guy is gonna use that as an excuse to whine and demand more money.

          But when you're fighting someone who is a legit threat to beat you, you're going to insist on a weight you think is mutually fair.

          This is why I never understood (well, apart from dyed-in-the-wool haters) why Golovkin was said to be hypocritical for being willing to fight Chavez or Froch at 168 but wanting Ward to come to 164. Chavez and Froch simply aren't on Golovkin's level in terms of boxing ability -- he knew he'd smash them. Also, they're big stars, so he'd accept the size disadvantage. He'd just be happy to get them into the ring so he could lay down an epic beating on them.

          However, Ward is a very good boxer, and Golovkin would have to insist on a fair weight because you cannot just concede major disadvantages against an opponent with equal or greater boxing skill than yourself. And since Ward's not a star, he doesn't bring the kind of money that would make it "worth it" to put oneself at such a massive disadvantage.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Hype job
            Yes. Kovalev doesn't make weight easy.
            Yeah that's the only reason why I wouldn't do it if I were Ward. His biggest career win was earned when he dragged Dawson down a full division and some people failed to give him full credit.

            Ward routinely rehydrated to 180+ while he was campaigning at 168, he was big for the division. If he's smaller than Kovalev, it's not by much and I'd probably pick him to beat Kovalev so why taint what would potentially be the greatest win of your career AGAIN??

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              #46
              Originally posted by djt117
              Yeah that's the only reason why I wouldn't do it if I were Ward. His biggest career win was earned when he dragged Dawson down a full division and some people failed to give him full credit.

              Ward routinely rehydrated to 180+ while he was campaigning at 168, he was big for the division. If he's smaller than Kovalev, it's not by much and I'd probably pick him to beat Kovalev so why taint what would potentially be the greatest win of your career AGAIN??
              because winning is all that matters to egomaniacs. it eclipses even money. does ward care about what people think? yea but not as much as he cares about winning. in the super six he had the advantage of fighting every fight in his home country and most in his home town while others like froch fought in 4 countries. against dawson he completely drained him in order to get the advantage. we have seen in many of his fights that he has the advantage of being allowed to clinch and jump into opponents without punishment. things like this matter. he then had the chance to make some really good paydays against guys like bute, froch, and stevenson but the circumstances weren't ideal so he passed on them. from the outside it looked ridiculous. top figthers and top paydays for ward but nope. the "little things" that matter in a fight didn't add up for ward.

              he wasn't even confident enough to fight froch a guy he beat because he didn't have the same circumstances of the first fight. that should tell you how important these "little things" are. he didn't even want to fight barrera preferring to fight periban but i think he feels comfortable enough since the fight is in oakland so if things aren't going his way he can always resort to his hugging tactics to get him out of trouble. a safety net if you will. we saw a microcosm of this in the paul smith fight. ward was easily beating smith and didn't have to resort to any cheating but the one time smith wobbled ward what happened? he immediately started holding and bending below the waist until he recovered. if he's in any danger against barrera he will do the same and of course the ref will let him. some people will even say its great boxing if he does it throughout the entire fight.
              Last edited by daggum; 01-30-2016, 08:03 AM.

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                #47
                Originally posted by daggum
                because winning is all that matters to egomaniacs. it eclipses even money. does ward care about what people think? yea but not as much as he cares about winning. in the super six he had the advantage of fighting every fight in his home country and most in his home town while others like froch fought in 4 countries. against dawson he completely drained him in order to get the advantage. we have seen in many of his fights that he has the advantage of being allowed to clinch and jump into opponents without punishment. things like this matter. he then had the chance to make some really good paydays against guys like bute, froch, and stevenson but the circumstances weren't ideal so he passed on them. from the outside it looked ridiculous. top figthers and top paydays for ward but nope. the "little things" that matter in a fight didn't add up for ward.

                he wasn't even confident enough to fight froch a guy he beat because he didn't have the same circumstances of the first fight. that should tell you how important these "little things" are. he didn't even want to fight barrera preferring to fight periban but i think he feels comfortable enough since the fight is in oakland so if things aren't going his way he can always resort to his hugging tactics to get him out of trouble. a safety net if you will. we saw a microcosm of this in the paul smith fight. ward was easily beating smith and didn't have to resort to any cheating but the one time smith wobbled ward what happened? he immediately started holding and bending below the waist until he recovered. if he's in any danger against barrera he will do the same and of course the ref will let him. some people will even say its great boxing if he does it throughout the entire fight.


                atlantic city and nottingham are about 3500 miles part. AC and oakland are around 3000 miles apart. the worst scorecards in that fight were from the canadian and the american. the brit had ward winning by 8 points. i usually score that fight 10-2. froch really only wins one round clearly.

                that you guys are still crying about ward fighting in his "hometown" of atlantic city is absolutely ridiculous. he had no advantages in that fight. he even fought with a broken hand.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by New England
                  atlantic city and nottingham are about 3500 miles part. AC and oakland are around 3000 miles apart. the worst scorecards in that fight were from the canadian and the american. the brit had ward winning by 8 points. i usually score that fight 10-2. froch really only wins one round clearly.

                  that you guys are still crying about ward fighting in his "hometown" of atlantic city is absolutely ridiculous. he had no advantages in that fight. he even fought with a broken hand.
                  in the super six he had the advantage of fighting every fight in his home country and most in his home town while others like froch fought in 4 countries

                  you did not read what i said very carefully.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by daggum
                    in the super six he had the advantage of fighting every fight in his home country and most in his home town while others like froch fought in 4 countries

                    you did not read what i said very carefully.

                    how'd you arrive at that conclusion?

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                      #50
                      That would be a bitc* move but it's not going to happen because Ward dares to be great.

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