Waddell investment down to the last 82M? OUT of (521M)

[sicko]

Things didn't work out with NBC, ESPN and Spike TV but they got FOX to invest into boxing as well as Showtime to invest even more into boxing. So I would say buying TV Time with multiple networks was a great move by PBC and in the Process it raised Spence Jr, Wilder, Leo Santa Cruz, Charlo Brothers and others Profile. They're more known now than they was Pre-PBC

Happy for the fighters most importantly, Haymon and the investors behind PBC are already Wealthy I'm sure but for the fighters this is HUGE!

at all the miserable trolling idiots on this forum who prayed and prayed for the downfall for PBC while Supposedly being a "BOXING FAN"

[Fetta]

GREAT for the sport!! PBC did it right IMO.

[KTFOKING]

Things didn't work out with NBC, ESPN and Spike TV but they got FOX to invest into boxing as well as Showtime to invest even more into boxing. So I would say buying TV Time with multiple networks was a great move by PBC and in the Process it raised Spence Jr, Wilder, Leo Santa Cruz, Charlo Brothers and others Profile. They're more known now than they was Pre-PBC

Happy for the fighters most importantly, Haymon and the investors behind PBC are already Wealthy I'm sure but for the fighters this is HUGE!

at all the miserable trolling idiots on this forum who prayed and prayed for the downfall for PBC while Supposedly being a "BOXING FAN"

Yep, the initial plan definitely had its flaws that are clear, but that was going to happen as this was the first time something like this had taken place in boxing. Al spent unnecessary money on production and tried to take away the ring walks to make it look more corporate, but this is boxing and it is the opposite of corporate. Did he overpay for a lot of fighters early on? Absolutely, but how else was he going to get them? Hearn was not happy with Haymon when he was doing it, but what has he done since taking over DAZN? Pretty much the same thing and even admitted doing so. If the plan was to turn the model into a UFC infrastructure, then it was never going to happen with the amount of promoters and good fighters elsewhere. Like I mentioned a few weeks ago, when the PBC launched, Haymon had one P4P top 10 fighter in Mayweather who was never going to fight on a PBC card. So you can't become the UFC when the best fighters are elsewhere. But he has built the biggest and deepest stable from any manager/advisor and now some of his core fighters are ready to take the next step. Wilder likely will be a PPV fighter from this day on, Spence after a marquee win or two will become one of the biggest stars in boxing and he has others on the verge of breaking out. I'm sure he would have loved to get FOX AND NBC or FOX AND ABC, but getting FOX+SHO isn't a bad consolation price, especially with the type of budget he has assembled.

So no one wants to answer my question of the ROI in my other post? Folks keep alluding to the money "burned" and how investors won't be seeing it any time soon, like that was ever going to happen? The investors knew this was a long-term ploy as did the UFC buyers.

[HanzGruber]

your a ****ing ***.
Showtime showing pbc fighters isnt anything new. Its the same crap they've been doing for years except now with the pbc banter. Also going from cbs, spike, bounce, and fox to just fox really shows they accomplished alot

Being only on fox and showtime is good. Not sure how that’s a bad thing especially since it’s not a time buy.

Pbc spread itself too thin by being on 20 diff channels.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Yeah, pretty big update. PBC has over $120 million a year in guaranteed US rights fees now, the biggest budget in boxing.

Lotta people look foolish in this thread.

Good, what network?

[N/A]

Good, what network?

60+ million guaranteed from Fox/Fox Sports and 60+ million guaranteed from CBS/Showtime.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

60+ million guaranteed from Fox/Fox Sports and 60+ million guaranteed from CBS/Showtime.

Do they have a regular time slot?

My biggest complaint vs pbc is they are so random when it comes to the day/time

They need to have a regular show, similar to wwe and Monday night raw..

Same channel, same time, every week

[KTFOKING]

Being only on fox and showtime is good. Not sure how that’s a bad thing especially since it’s not a time buy.

Pbc spread itself too thin by being on 20 diff channels.

Right, if the PBC was heavily invested in more than two networks, then the quality would drop. Right now there is more than enough talent for both SHO/FOX to get on good shows.

[slu]

Yep, the initial plan definitely had its flaws that are clear, but that was going to happen as this was the first time something like this had taken place in boxing. Al spent unnecessary money on production and tried to take away the ring walks to make it look more corporate, but this is boxing and it is the opposite of corporate. Did he overpay for a lot of fighters early on? Absolutely, but how else was he going to get them? Hearn was not happy with Haymon when he was doing it, but what has he done since taking over DAZN? Pretty much the same thing and even admitted doing so. If the plan was to turn the model into a UFC infrastructure, then it was never going to happen with the amount of promoters and good fighters elsewhere. Like I mentioned a few weeks ago, when the PBC launched, Haymon had one P4P top 10 fighter in Mayweather who was never going to fight on a PBC card. So you can't become the UFC when the best fighters are elsewhere. But he has built the biggest and deepest stable from any manager/advisor and now some of his core fighters are ready to take the next step. Wilder likely will be a PPV fighter from this day on, Spence after a marquee win or two will become one of the biggest stars in boxing and he has others on the verge of breaking out. I'm sure he would have loved to get FOX AND NBC or FOX AND ABC, but getting FOX+SHO isn't a bad consolation price, especially with the type of budget he has assembled.

So no one wants to answer my question of the ROI in my other post? Folks keep alluding to the money "burned" and how investors won't be seeing it any time soon, like that was ever going to happen? The investors knew this was a long-term ploy as did the UFC buyers.

Didn't see the ROI question but let's think about this pretty rationally. The UFC publishes their numbers as does the WWE. If we are ballpark right and the two deals are $100 mln in TV, likely some sponsorship and venue so let's say they are doing $110mln of revenue. Fighters are going to take 60% (aggressive vs. other sports but it's Al so let's lean that way) so let's say $44 of net revenue to the business and his corporate expense can't be much but let's say it's $15 mln that leaves you about $30mln in bottom line (some slippage but not a lot with paying promoters, etc) but at $30 mln in profit these business trade for 12-15X cash flow (looking at WWE, UFC, New York Knicks through MSG) then the business today is worth $350 to $450 mln today post signing these deals. So ROI is still negative on the $550 but catching up quickly. If they can grow this TV deal into $150-$200 in four years then boom ROI's start to explode.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Things didn't work out with NBC, ESPN and Spike TV but they got FOX to invest into boxing as well as Showtime to invest even more into boxing. So I would say buying TV Time with multiple networks was a great move by PBC and in the Process it raised Spence Jr, Wilder, Leo Santa Cruz, Charlo Brothers and others Profile. They're more known now than they was Pre-PBC

Happy for the fighters most importantly, Haymon and the investors behind PBC are already Wealthy I'm sure but for the fighters this is HUGE!

at all the miserable trolling idiots on this forum who prayed and prayed for the downfall for PBC while Supposedly being a "BOXING FAN"

So fighters dont get more known the more years they fight? You’re acting like they wouldnt be more known if they were with anyone else. Lol at trying to use that as some point of success.

I heard of this one guy, fights out of Oklahoma, Lawrence Crawdad or something. 3 division champ. His friends call him “Pal”. I bet if he was with pbc you would have heard more about him.