Angel Garcia on Thurman-Porter: Why fight each other when they could fight a Salka?

[New England]

Everyone understands that Angel Garcia will probably want what's best for his son. That's not in question. Every stakeholder in the sport wants to maximise what they take out of it. Pointing out that Danny Garcia wants to make money is fairly redundant.

The relevant question is what's best for the sport. People criticising Garcia understand how things are, but the question of how things should be is equally important. This video reflects a growing shift towards the assumption that it is wrong to even expect fighters to face tough competition. You see that same attitude expressed on here regularly.

It's a question of whether ducking is a regrettable part of the sport, or a part of the sport that is not regrettable at all. For it seems many fans think boxing is now essentially a gameshow, where you are watching to see how much money the contestants win.

disagree. most of these guys seem to think boxers care about being best to teh degree that it holds a candle to making money and not getting beat up. and in the advent that the boxers do care, they've got management to think for them.

i think it's redundant to worry about how things should be in a free market with no altruistic regulating body. that's fairy tale stuff. they box for money, dude.


if peopel want to change the sport they have to stop buying showtime subs and wtaching rod salka challenge for danny's 140 lb lineage.

[-PBP-]

Everyone understands that Angel Garcia will probably want what's best for his son. That's not in question. Every stakeholder in the sport wants to maximise what they take out of it. Pointing out that Danny Garcia wants to make money is fairly redundant.

The relevant question is what's best for the sport. People criticising Garcia understand how things are, but the question of how things should be is equally important. This video reflects a growing shift towards the assumption that it is wrong to even expect fighters to face tough competition. You see that same attitude expressed on here regularly.

It's a question of whether ducking is a regrettable part of the sport, or a part of the sport that is not regrettable at all. For it seems many fans think boxing is now essentially a gameshow, where you are watching to see how much money the contestants win.

Our words mean jack **** though. We talk with our money. And this is what our money has told the fight game:

1. We don't want Mayweather/Pacquiao in 2009, we want it in 2015. (a half a billion dollar statement made there)

2. We accept Mayweather and Pacquiao fighting other guys instead of each other. (They were doing 1 million PPVs left and right against fighters other than each other)

3. Garcia/Salka is OK. I just want to see boxing. (The fight did good ratings on Showtime and generated a decent gate)

4. Canelo can fight whoever he wants at whatever weight he wants. We don't care. (He will sell fighting me at 155)


These types of things happen because fans allow it to happen. You can't cry about Garcia/Salka and then show up to the fight front row because you have never been ringside before.

Al Haymon understands that this is a sport driven by casuals. He knows exactly what he's doing.

[TheUntouchable]

made a career high payday and challenged for a world title.

don't you go blaming robf or taking a career high payday. you guys really don't know what you're talking about if you're going to start with that


blame the athletic commission for sanctioning it, the network for buying it, haymon for the matching.


you'd be f#cking ******ed to pass up that fight if you handled garcia. ******ed. you don't take punches to the face and risk your life. you don't make millions, either. he does. you can die in there. you have to recognize that your perspective as a fan isn't the perspective of a fighter or his team. this ihow they all think. why else would you sign with al hamon ?

angel is just dumb and loud mouthed enough to not keep quiet about wanting to take eaiser fights and make more money in the long term. i'd do the same thing, but i'd lie about it!

You didn't get it. Angel was talking about the risks boxers take (even though those risks are low compared to many other professions) and that their health was at stake and so did you. But 50/50 fights aren't dangerous, guys like Rod Salka or Michael Zerafa have to pay with their health, going in completly outmatched. Of course they have to take the money but talking about fighter's health and then making those mismatches doesn't make any sense.


Not at all...

[New England]

You didn't get it. Angel was talking about the risks boxers take (even though those risks are low compared to many other professions) and that their health was at stake and so did you. But 50/50 fights aren't dangerous, guys like Rod Salka or Michael Zerafa have to pay with their health, going in completly outmatched. Of course they have to take the money but talking about fighter's health and then making those mismatches doesn't make any sense.


Not at all...

well, if you want to say that your point isn't articulated well enouhg for me to know what you're talking, about, that's fine


as for me "not getting it," if "it" is how and why fighters are matched, i couldn't disagree more. not only do i know boxing, i know p's and i know l's.

[TheUntouchable]

Al Haymon understands that this is a sport driven by casuals. He knows exactly what he's doing.

That's not true, though. Haymon is not making money with his bull**** fights, he is making money off his investors. They actually lose money and they won't allow it to happen much longer.

[New England]

That's not trut, though. Haymon is not making money with his bull**** fights, he is making money off his investors. They actually lose money and they won't allow it to happen much longer.

fighters generally represent a loss for their promotors early. businesses lose money while they're getting started all the time. this definitely isn't exclusive to boxing. you need to spend money and time building a fighter for him to be profitable. that's why a lot of promotors let prospects get built up by other guys before swooping in with a bigger contract and more meaningful connections with TV networks.


now, that doens't mean that haymon is garanteed to catch lightning in a bottle and build the next floyd mayweather. i do think it's possible that he goes under.

but, if you lose 5 million a year for 3 years, and in your 4th you make 100 million, you're a great investor


none of us are privvy to haymon's long term aspirations, though i do agree that it's possible that he goes under. i think he's trying to get the next floyd mayweather, and damn the rest. that fight generated ungodly amounts of money. certainly enough to cover a few years of PBC flops to get going.

[-PBP-]

That's not true, though. Haymon is not making money with his bull**** fights, he is making money off his investors. They actually lose money and they won't allow it to happen much longer.

That's speculation. And besides, everybody is making **** fights. Take a look at HBO's schedule. Boxing sucks from from all angles and you're taking sides.

[tredh]

The biggest risk Garcia ever took was fighting Khan... Period.
Peterson wasn't supposed to be competitive, neither was Herrera, or Paulie. All three were easy fights turned difficult outside of Paulie.

I understand you kind of mad and don't like what was said and neither do majority of folks here.

But the bold is a complete BS. Danny was the favorite and looked at to win but Peterson vs Garcia not supposed to be competitive. WTF? Never heard anybody say they thought that but you.

[tredh]

Yeah but even taking risks hasn't paid off for Porter or Garcia. Garcia vs. Guerrero would do the same viewership and gate as Garcia vs. Thurman because nobody knows who Thurman or Garcia is. Maybe it generates a little more interest but not enough to make the risks worth it.

Andre Ward won the Super 6 and can't fill up a small casino outside of Oakland. Boxing just isn't popular in the United States. Your typical ticket purchasing fight fan looks at a newspaper ad and says "Hey guys, want to go see a boxing match? I've never been to one before. Maybe it will be like Rocky." It doesn't matter if it is Garcia vs. Salka or Garcia vs. Porter.

I would say that problem is more the fault of the promoter. They don't really promote fighters or fights anymore. They just collect a check from HBO or Showtime and they show commercials for the fight coming up in between movies, a series or a documentary. That is not getting the fight out to the public. That is doing the least amount of work possible.

Fighters need to fighter better competition and Promoters need to get off their butts get out and promote these fighters and fights.

Don King may have stole money from his fighters but at the same time he did a hell of a job promoting them and the fight.

[OnePunch]

this seems like the mindset of a lot of fighters. if they can make the same amount of money for a low risk fight, why not take it? i think they are banking of people paying to see a fighter as the selling point and fight itself is secondary.

and its no surprise that Big Dunn has been rather silent in this thread. He claims that PBC overpaying for mediocre matchups has ZERO effect on the overall market....