IT'S OFFICIAL: Golovkin vs Tureano Johnson

[VG_Addict]

Johnson is absolutely tailor-made for Golovkin.

[ИATAS]

Happy New Year!

The better fights to be made are in the next weight class above. GGG wants to stay at 160and wait until he gets a Canelo fight, a fight that he may not get. You and the rest of the GGG fans are ok with him staying at 160 until he "unifies". We know this.

The reality is he's done all he can do at 160 EXCEPT get a multi million dollar PPV fight with Canelo. Every time he takes a fight with an 10-1 underdog, its a waste of time for fans. Maybe the fight does happen in 2016. Until then, it doesn't interest me that a guy can be labeled a top p4p fighter yet never have beaten anyone that was less than an 8-1 underdog.

You want him to go up to 168 then back down to 160 (or 155/156/157/158) for Canelo later in the year? That's not very smart especially considering who would be available to fight at 168. Or you want him to abandon 160 altogether? Also not smart since he's one fight away from Canelo. You act like a "multi million dollar PPV fight" & unification/lineal title is easy to pass on.

Sure, Canelo can end up saying no later in the year and get stripped his belt, or worse the WBC could give out another extension, then at that point GGG can say forget about Canelo. No point doing that right now being that he's this close and Canelo just won the title a little over a month ago. The smart move is to take a fight, like they agreed to, and try to get the super fight with Canelo later in the year. If he can't he can't and moves on. If he goes to 168 he's kissing that fight good bye and essentially has to start over, fighting the likes of Groves, Badou Jack, etc and for what? A "big" fight against Abraham? DeGale? Just wait a few months for Canelo, a true big fight.

This is a mandatory fight man. Not much he can do other than unify which he's been trying to do (and still attempting to get BJS). Can't fault him for the IBF's rankings. Johnson is decent, it's not nearly as bad as Kuro Murat or Mohammedi or some of the other guys the IBF has had (I remember Morrade Hakkar mandatory against Bernard Hopkins who was a terrible mandatory).

Seriously, how many more easy KO's do you as a fan want to watch?

Why are you acting like this is what Golovkin fans want? All I've seen from GGG fans over the past 6-12 months is a Canelo/Cotto fight. Followed by Andy Lee and now BJS since he won. Those are the fights everyone wants, as well as Jacobs. Golovkin couldn't get those fights obviously.

[The Big Dunn]

There is nothing at 168 either. He will run into the same pile of **** there also. Meanwhile in 154 land, we got lots of respected names, and a fairly loaded division by today's standards, not fighting each other. They get no heat for it. 154 is a bunch of guys sitting around. At least GGG is trying to get fights. So GGG has to get a mandatory out of the way, fine. I am still trying to figure out how guys like Ishe, Delvin, Jan, Brundrage, Campfort, pucheta are opponents who get a pass. Explain it to us?

At the top of 168 he would face opponents that are larger and have longer reach. This would most likely be more difficult. Would also require him to utilize more tools. He would likely not be in with such huge underdogs.

Your deflection to 154 is cute. Those fighters are not being rewarded with top 5 p4p rankings for defeating a string of 10-1 underdogs nor are they (presumably) waiting for a fight that may likely never come.

If you are seriously concerned about 154, make a thread.

[j0zef]

Happy New Year!

The better fights to be made are in the next weight class above. GGG wants to stay at 160and wait until he gets a Canelo fight, a fight that he may not get. You and the rest of the GGG fans are ok with him staying at 160 until he "unifies". We know this.

The reality is he's done all he can do at 160 EXCEPT get a multi million dollar PPV fight with Canelo. Every time he takes a fight with an 10-1 underdog, its a waste of time for fans. Maybe the fight does happen in 2016. Until then, it doesn't interest me that a guy can be labeled a top p4p fighter yet never have beaten anyone that was less than an 8-1 underdog.

Seriously, how many more easy KO's do you as a fan want to watch?

How has he done all he could at MW if all the trolls point to Canelo as the "real" champion because he's lineal?
How has he done all he could at MW if everyone, including you, think his resume is full of cab drivers?

And who's waiting for him at 168? Almost all big names at SMW are with Haymon. He wouldn't get those fights just like he didn't get Quillin and Jacobs. What is he gonna do? Chase down Abraham in Germany? (100% duck) Finally get a fight with washed up 60 year old Felix Sturm?
Put a kibosh on Groves resurrecting his career? See if Froch will come out of retirement and fight at 172? Wait 2 years to see if Ward can make 168?

SMW is joke. After Golovkin is done with his own division, and assuming he's successful, he's got 2 fights left - Ward & Kovalev at 175. He has 0 reasons to rush into a crappy division right now. NONE.

[deanrw]

At the top of 168 he would face opponents that are larger and have longer reach. This would most likely be more difficult. Would also require him to utilize more tools. He would likely not be in with such huge underdogs.

Your deflection to 154 is cute. Those fighters are not being rewarded with top 5 p4p rankings for defeating a string of 10-1 underdogs nor are they (presumably) waiting for a fight that may likely never come.

If you are seriously concerned about 154, make a thread.

The 168 division is sh|t right now. You know it. Look at their top 10. They will still want 10 million to fight. The 154 division is no more of a deflection than the 168 division that you keep bringing up. You keep talking about GGG's crap opponents, but look at the list I gave you. And look at what the options they have are. These guys have belts or should be fighting for them. Why are they doing nothing? Why are they getting a pass from you, and everyone else? They are not even making a damn attempt.

[The Big Dunn]

You want him to go up to 168 then back down to 160 (or 155/156/157/158) for Canelo later in the year? That's not very smart especially considering who would be available to fight at 168. Or you want him to abandon 160 altogether? Also not smart since he's one fight away from Canelo. You act like a "multi million dollar PPV fight" & unification/lineal title is easy to pass on.

Sure, Canelo can end up saying no later in the year and get stripped his belt, or worse the WBC could give out another extension, then at that point GGG can say forget about Canelo. No point doing that right now being that he's this close and Canelo just won the title a little over a month ago. The smart move is to take a fight, like they agreed to, and try to get the super fight with Canelo later in the year. If he can't he can't and moves on. If he goes to 168 he's kissing that fight good bye and essentially has to start over, fighting the likes of Groves, Badou Jack, etc and for what? A "big" fight against Abraham? DeGale? Just wait a few months for Canelo, a true big fight.

This is a mandatory fight man. Not much he can do other than unify which he's been trying to do (and still attempting to get BJS). Can't fault him for the IBF's rankings. Johnson is decent, it's not nearly as bad as Kuro Murat or Mohammedi or some of the other guys the IBF has had (I remember Morrade Hakkar mandatory against Bernard Hopkins who was a terrible mandatory).




Why are you acting like this is what Golovkin fans want? All I've seen from GGG fans over the past 6-12 months is a Canelo/Cotto fight. Followed by Andy Lee and now BJS since he won. Those are the fights everyone wants, as well as Jacobs. Golovkin couldn't get those fights obviously.

My post is not suggesting he move to 168. it is just pointing out that in reality there is nothing more for GGG at 160. You, and most of his fans have anointed him the uncrowned king of 160 for about 2, almost 3, years. SO its as if we are saying the same thing, just not the same way.

I am also not suggesting he pass on a huge fight or unification. I am only pointing out that it is very likely he will not get these things.

Many fighters have taken fights at weights above the division they are in and returned to their division. It is disingenuous when GGG fans suggest taking a fight at 168 would somehow cost him unification. none of you ever mentioned the potential fights with Froch and Chavez as "preventing unification". Why are you mentioning this now? (its rhetorical what you are really saying IMO is you don't want him to risk his undefeated record against a quality fighter at 168. It would make debate easier if you just said it.)

Exactly Natas-he can't get those fights. That has been stated over and over and the same response is-what does he do in the meantime? Notice I pointed out you can't blame him because he gets paid well (far too much IMO) for fights like these.

I just don't see how the prospect of GGG v Tuareno Johnson excites you as a boxing fan. I completely understand why it does as a GGG fan.

[The Big Dunn]

The 168 division is sh|t right now. You know it. Look at their top 10. They will still want 10 million to fight. The 154 division is no more of a deflection than the 168 division that you keep bringing up. You keep talking about GGG's crap opponents, but look at the list I gave you. And look at what the options they have are. These guys have belts or should be fighting for them. Why are they doing nothing? Why are they getting a pass from you, and everyone else? They are not even making a damn attempt.

Taking a fight against a top 168 lb fighter presents a different challenge IMO for the reasons I stated. If you feel differently, fine.

If you want to discuss 154, make a thread. You haven't made a thread about it, yet are complaining they are getting a pass. You likely will not get much on this topic in a thread about GGG v Johnson.

[The Big Dunn]

How has he done all he could at MW if all the trolls point to Canelo as the "real" champion because he's lineal?
How has he done all he could at MW if everyone, including you, think his resume is full of cab drivers?

And who's waiting for him at 168? Almost all big names at SMW are with Haymon. He wouldn't get those fights just like he didn't get Quillin and Jacobs. What is he gonna do? Chase down Abraham in Germany? (100% duck) Finally get a fight with washed up 60 year old Felix Sturm?
Put a kibosh on Groves resurrecting his career? See if Froch will come out of retirement and fight at 172? Wait 2 years to see if Ward can make 168?

SMW is joke. After Golovkin is done with his own division, and assuming he's successful, he's got 2 fights left - Ward & Kovalev at 175. He has 0 reasons to rush into a crappy division right now. NONE.

Most non slurping GGG fans, even OnePUnch, has agreed with the point that GGG has done everything at 160. Just like there are trolls calling Canelo lineal (he is), there are slurping GGG groupies that proclaim him the best MW for 3 years.

There are other fighters at 168 that would make for an entertaining fight where GGG wouldn't be a huge favorite. Bute, sanchez, chudinov, and some others. Their size would make for a good challenge IMO.

I didn't suggest he go to 168. I suggested he take a fight there until the Canelo fight, which I think we can agree may or may not happen.

[deanrw]

Taking a fight against a top 168 lb fighter presents a different challenge IMO for the reasons I stated. If you feel differently, fine.

If you want to discuss 154, make a thread. You haven't made a thread about it, yet are complaining they are getting a pass. You likely will not get much on this topic in a thread about GGG v Johnson.

The thread would just generate crickets anyway. Not many would want to touch it. My point is the situation we have in this sport is not only with GGG. It is widespread. My point is at least GGG is trying to make things happen. Yes Tureano can only be regarded as a prospect, but at least he is not a guy who was retreaded 10 times. It is not ideal, but I pointed out much worse ones. Yes GGG will be a heavy favorite like he has been, but it is because he is considered that good, he has that false aura of invincibility that they once pegged on Tyson.. I still refuse to sh|t on guys like GGG, Porter and Bradley who seem willing to get in the ring with anyone. Hell the guy just came fresh out of a unification fight and he still got **** on for it.

Some people just have it to detract him no matter what he does. It is deeply rooted and there is nothing to gain their respect for him.

[deanrw]

Most non slurping GGG fans, even OnePUnch, has agreed with the point that GGG has done everything at 160. Just like there are trolls calling Canelo lineal (he is), there are slurping GGG groupies that proclaim him the best MW for 3 years.

There are other fighters at 168 that would make for an entertaining fight where GGG wouldn't be a huge favorite. Bute, sanchez, chudinov, and some others. Their size would make for a good challenge IMO.

I didn't suggest he go to 168. I suggested he take a fight there until the Canelo fight, which I think we can agree may or may not happen.

For any fighter over 30, going up in weight and back down is a disaster just waiting to happen. If he goes up, he has to stay up.