IT'S OFFICIAL: Golovkin vs Tureano Johnson

[The Big Dunn]

if he fought anyone below the top 10 you would be the FIRST one to say he is fighting nothing but slobs just like he did at 160 and blah blah blah......

Ah, the "you'd say ....." defense. Really?

You know my point is 100% accurate and fair. GGG should be in fights where he is not so much of a favorite. Those fights can occur if he fights someone at 168, or Canelo, which we agree may not happen.

Big Dunn is losing his **** over golovkin.

Huh?

[BlakBread904]

DEanrw, if you can't understand why people are discussing GGG more than the guys at 154, then you are either ******ed (which you are not) or are deflecting. GGG is HBO's #1 non PPV fighter, that is why we are discussing him more.

He didn't get sh-t on for a unification fight.. He got sh-tted on because the fight was against another 8-1 underdog. the guy could take fights at 168 that would be tougher than the Tuareno Johnson level opponents. This is the point that most GGG fans keep refusing to discuss.

Instead, they want to deflect to "deep rooted" reasons for the comments. Its not that deep. He is being ranked in the top 3 p4p and hasn't defeated anything higher than an 8-1 underdog. Each time he doesn't get Canelo, we get more overmatched opponents with no chance to win. That is something worth discussing.

When Chocalito was elevated to #1, the same discussions were had. Why do GGG fans get so offended at posters debating his resume and p4p qualifications as they have done with other fighters for years on NSB?

Dunn, you have failed to address the point that numerous posters have brought up:

The track record for boxers over age 30 who move up in weight then back down, is atrocious...there is a reason you don't see it happen much.

What do you say of that?

That is probably why you think that "most GGG fans keep refusing to discuss" this "goto 168lb for a stay busy fight then move back to 160lb for Canelo" idea you have stuck in your head. Instead, its likely that folks are dismissing your point because it's ******. What professional boxers over 30 move up and down in weight for stay busy fights? I recall a prominent boxer once say, the hardest jump in weight is from 160 to 168...

[deanrw]

This post right here perfectly illustrates my problems with GGG fans.

I can understand why some of you respond to me the way you do. Yet when you guys are being brutally honest about the situation (and credit to you for an honest response) you end up in the same general space I am. the only difference is you guys like GGG and I am not a huge fan.

As realists, it is very unlikely that GGG can get these fights so me saying he "has nothing left at 160" is not an indictment on GGG as a fighter. Its being a realist.

I also have no problem with people saying GGG's resume is far from perfect. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out. My only issue is why is he getting the heat, for guys who blatantly avoid him. To me they are the ones who should get the heat.

Hell I was rooting for Lemieux to beat him. I knew his chances were slim, but I went that route. Hell Tureano and I chat on twitter all the time. I am down with him also and would love to see him pull out the upset of a lifetime, I just don't see it happening. I have always kinda rooted for underdogs, call it a weakness.

[The Big Dunn]

Dunn, you have failed to address the point that numerous posters have brought up:

The track record for boxers over age 30 who move up in weight then back down, is atrocious...there is a reason you don't see it happen much.

What do you say of that?

That is probably why you think that "most GGG fans keep refusing to discuss" this "goto 168lb for a stay busy fight then move back to 160lb for Canelo" idea you have stuck in your head. Instead, its likely that folks are dismissing your point because it's ******. What professional boxers over 30 move up and down in weight for stay busy fights? I recall a prominent boxer once say, the hardest jump in weight is from 160 to 168...

Deanrw brought that up. My response (which I just decided to leave alone) was he was considering fights at 168 after age 30, to fight Chavez and Froch. When he did, I didn't see deanrw or anyone else making this point. Not saying he didn't.

Yes, deanrw's point is very fair. While it may be a real concern, it comes across as a deflective measure in this instance.

GGG would've done exactly what I am suggesting had things gone as planned. Is this a fair enough response?

With all due respect, GGG is in a unique situation. If my point is so ******, then why did GGG and his team entertain the exact thing I am suggesting-going to 168 for fights while awaiting the big fight at 160?

He surely would've come back down for the big fights. So I get that you are trying to attack, but at least have the decency to point out my suggestion mirrors Team GGG's plans.

[The Big Dunn]

I also have no problem with people saying GGG's resume is far from perfect. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out. My only issue is why is he getting the heat, for guys who blatantly avoid him. To me they are the ones who should get the heat.

Hell I was rooting for Lemieux to beat him. I knew his chances were slim, but I went that route. Hell Tureano and I chat on twitter all the time. I am down with him also and would love to see him pull out the upset of a lifetime, I just don't see it happening. I have always kinda rooted for underdogs, call it a weakness.

My only point is, and again credit to One Punch for that response, is GGG fans (at least the non trolls that actually follow the sport) and I arrive at the exact same point despite our difference in opinion on GGG.

The best fights for him at 160 are not likely to happen, save for Canelo, which is tough to tell. I am not saying he shouldn't wait to see if he can get the Canelo fight, I am just questioning yet ANOTHER overmatched opponent.

I didn't crap on GGG or anything like that.

[j0zef]

Deanrw brought that up. My response (which I just decided to leave alone) was he was considering fights at 168 after age 30, to fight Chavez and Froch. When he did, I didn't see deanrw or anyone else making this point. Not saying he didn't.

Yes, deanrw's point is very fair. While it may be a real concern, it comes across as a deflective measure in this instance.

GGG would've done exactly what I am suggesting had things gone as planned. Is this a fair enough response?

With all due respect, GGG is in a unique situation. If my point is so ******, then why did GGG and his team entertain the exact thing I am suggesting-going to 168 for fights while awaiting the big fight at 160?

He surely would've come back down for the big fights. So I get that you are trying to attack, but at least have the decency to point out my suggestion mirrors Team GGG's plans.

Because Froch and Chavez Jr (and Floyd) were not stay busy fights.

His early prime was wasted by Universum, all the champions he called out considered him extremely high risk/low reward. The fastest way for him for him to make a name for himself was to get into the ring with an extremely popular fighter, which would have made him more attractive for the MW champs due to a change in risk/reward ratio.

No one at 168 or 175 offers anything for Golovkin except a challenge, which he'll have plenty of time for in 2017+

[BlakBread904]

Deanrw brought that up. My response (which I just decided to leave alone) was he was considering fights at 168 after age 30, to fight Chavez and Froch. When he did, I didn't see deanrw or anyone else making this point. Not saying he didn't.

Yes, deanrw's point is very fair. While it may be a real concern, it comes across as a deflective measure in this instance.

GGG would've done exactly what I am suggesting had things gone as planned. Is this a fair enough response?

With all due respect, GGG is in a unique situation. If my point is so ******, then why did GGG and his team entertain the exact thing I am suggesting-going to 168 for fights while awaiting the big fight at 160?

He surely would've come back down for the big fights. So I get that you are trying to attack, but at least have the decency to point out my suggestion mirrors Team GGG's plans.

What Jozef said...

Because Froch and Chavez Jr (and Floyd) were not stay busy fights.

[TX_BOXNG]

aint too bad