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  • RedZmaja
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    #51
    Originally posted by Fetta
    Yup.

    Not a UFC guy but i went to fight party for Connor/Aldo and the place was hyped. This past Sat i saw some on TV and crowd was big like they always are. UFC doing something right.

    1 umbrella organization to run it all....Im all for it
    I've been following MMA since the Pride Cro Cop days and the way that UFC operates is bad for the sport if you can call MMA a sport at all because UFC monopoly took away all the legitimacy.

    It's just a huge entertainment industry and a greedy corporation. Fighters get paid like crap, you have guys like Stipe Miočić who will fight for the HW title and he has a part-time job. He might not get the fight at all because he was told that he's not popular enough and in UFC you get title shots based on popularity. If you're a draw and earn money for the UFC you get free title shots and protection like Conor and Ronda. It forces fighters to act like they're in WWE-style circus to hype the fights to ******ed UFC fanbase.

    Everything that UFC does is for the sake of the financial well being of the company, it doesn't have any clear format or rules. Decent fighters got cut for being "boring" even though they'd be top 5-10 in their weightclass (Jake Shields for example who has wins over several current top 10 WWs).

    On paper the structure looks fine with supposedly "the best fighting the best" but in reality UFC has a really small talent pool and most of the fighters are either Americans or Brazilians. They don't atract top fighting talent of the world and just hype up whoever they sign because it's the cheaper way. The fans will buy almost anything, they bought the Ronda hype after all. You have legit MMA talent outside the UFC. If boxing was run by an UFC-like organization who knows how much legit talent would be left outside.

    Boxing is just too global and too big to have an UFC-like organization having a complete monopoly over the sport. If MMA ever grows that big it will have similar structure to what boxing has now, it's inevitable. Hell it wasn't long ago that you had two big organizations with UFC and Pride, there was also Strikeforce out of which half of the current UFC champions came from.

    UFC also protects the top stars and doesn't push for superfights. GSP vs Silva never happened neither did Jones vs Silva, Pettis vs Aldo, Jones vs Cain and so on. There are fewer weight divisions but the champ of that division is not expected to fight anyone from other divisions.

    The reason why UFC is large is because it has a lot of money since they're paying hardly anything to fighters and get most of the money they earn with PPVs, TV deals and other stuff. They invest that money in promoting the company, UFC 189 and UFC 194 were heavily promoted, that's why all that hype was there. They invested millions in Conor with all that media tour and all the promos, I think Dana White said they'll be happy if they break even with UFC 189 because the event was basically an investment and promotion for MMA.

    A lot of boxing fans don't follow MMA that much and aren't informed about the UFC enough, that's why they think boxing should have similar structure but in reality it would absolutely kill boxing.

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    • Fetta
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      #52
      Originally posted by RedZmaja
      I've been following MMA since the Pride Cro Cop days and the way that UFC operates is bad for the sport if you can call MMA a sport at all because UFC monopoly took away all the legitimacy.

      It's just a huge entertainment industry and a greedy corporation. Fighters get paid like crap, you have guys like Stipe Miočić who will fight for the HW title and he has a part-time job. He might not get the fight at all because he was told that he's not popular enough and in UFC you get title shots based on popularity. If you're a draw and earn money for the UFC you get free title shots and protection like Conor and Ronda. It forces fighters to act like they're in WWE-style circus to hype the fights to ******ed UFC fanbase.

      Everything that UFC does is for the sake of the financial well being of the company, it doesn't have any clear format or rules. Decent fighters got cut for being "boring" even though they'd be top 5-10 in their weightclass (Jake Shields for example who has wins over several current top 10 WWs).

      On paper the structure looks fine with supposedly "the best fighting the best" but in reality UFC has a really small talent pool and most of the fighters are either Americans or Brazilians. They don't atract top fighting talent of the world and just hype up whoever they sign because it's the cheaper way. The fans will buy almost anything, they bought the Ronda hype after all. You have legit MMA talent outside the UFC. If boxing was run by an UFC-like organization who knows how much legit talent would be left outside.

      Boxing is just too global and too big to have an UFC-like organization having a complete monopoly over the sport. If MMA ever grows that big it will have similar structure to what boxing has now, it's inevitable. Hell it wasn't long ago that you had two big organizations with UFC and Pride, there was also Strikeforce out of which half of the current UFC champions came from.

      UFC also protects the top stars and doesn't push for superfights. GSP vs Silva never happened neither did Jones vs Silva, Pettis vs Aldo, Jones vs Cain and so on. There are fewer weight divisions but the champ of that division is not expected to fight anyone from other divisions.

      The reason why UFC is large is because it has a lot of money since they're paying hardly anything to fighters and get most of the money they earn with PPVs, TV deals and other stuff. They invest that money in promoting the company, UFC 189 and UFC 194 were heavily promoted, that's why all that hype was there. They invested millions in Conor with all that media tour and all the promos, I think Dana White said they'll be happy if they break even with UFC 189 because the event was basically an investment and promotion for MMA.

      A lot of boxing fans don't follow MMA that much and aren't informed about the UFC enough, that's why they think boxing should have similar structure but in reality it would absolutely kill boxing.
      I would love it. Would keep all this promoter this and netwrok that out of the comp. and thats what we want.

      As for the circus thing to hype up fights, many on here want that and crave it for all fights. Hell some were mad cause ring girls and ring entrances were gone.

      Isnt there still Bellator so that would take away from the whole monopoly thing.

      And i stopped following MMA but i can honestly say i saw one the very first shows ever on TV, when there were no weight classes, and it has grown beyond what i could have ever expected.

      Also MMA is only about 30-40 years old if that so it has many many years behind boxing which is over 100. And sadly as of right now i can say more flock to that sport than boxing. Itll grow

      As for the boring fighters there was just a thread about most boring fight ever seen and names like Ward, Floyd, Rigo were thrown out there. 3 of the best today and the retired best of this era. So thats also in boxing and im sure if "fans" could get rid of them they would

      "It's just a huge entertainment industry and a greedy corporation." Isnt that close to being what boxing is now only we dont get 1 v 2

      nothing you wrote changes what i think that 1 umbrella organization will be better for the sport of boxing. Not saying structure but something similar Im all for it

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      • casheddie
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        #53
        This could be a bad move for GBP if the tix sales tank. The only good (makable) fight for Canelo is Lemieux and then GGG in Sept. Plus they would sell it as a PPV

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          #54
          Originally posted by nveleven
          Why is this "good to hear"? I don't see it as "good for boxing" per se. Until boxing has a centralized authority that forces the best fighters to fight each other, instead of allowing fights time to "marinate" or allowing a fighter's promoter to weight drain another fighter or blatantly duck a fighter, then the best thing for boxing is for it to circle the drain.
          Floyd & Manny circled each other (both parties were guilty) over the years, and we ended up getting two guys post-prime in a snooze fest. 4.5 million PPV buys for people to watch two old men literally circling each other for 36 minutes doing the 5th grade 'hood "fight" where two guys feint, flinch, & clinch for 36 minutes.
          There is zero reason why Canelo & GGG should not headline the new MGM for its first premier fight event. Canelo is the middleweight champion and walks around at 170. GGG is the #1 middleweight contender and walks around at 170. Both are in their prime. Both have solid, growing fan bases. Neither can sell a PPV on their own name without another star.
          This makes complete sense.
          I'm not into UFC much, but Conor fighting Aldo recently would be unprecedented in boxing right now. Both guys in their prime, neither with any unfair advantages.
          Why shouldn't UFC headline MGM's first fight event?
          Why is it good for boxing to be rewarded when it's outpacing the corruption of previous generations.
          Let it continue to die a slow death just like the music industry, as it becomes more and more corporatized.

          Because ufc wants ufc 200 to be in the new arena, which will be in July.

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          • Zaroku
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            #55
            As a Mexican, I sarcastically say, what about the Cinco De Mayweather???

            Ay Dios Mio??!?!?!?

            A Mexican Monster needs to reclaim Cinco De Mayo!
            Where are you Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. ?

            Juan Francisco Vargas, can you be the Juan?? The Juan to restore us as a Nation?!?!?

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            • WaterHotSer
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              #56
              Originally posted by Zaroku
              As a Mexican, I sarcastically say, what about the Cinco De Mayweather???

              Ay Dios Mio??!?!?!?

              A Mexican Monster needs to reclaim Cinco De Mayo!
              Where are you Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. ?

              Juan Francisco Vargas, can you be the Juan?? The Juan to restore us as a Nation?!?!?
              Zaroku murotto maratta caaaaaaaaaaaalm sir

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              • Zaroku
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                #57
                Originally posted by WaterHotSer
                Zaroku murotto maratta caaaaaaaaaaaalm sir
                Hahahaha

                Need to crap out a Manny Pacman!! Or a Mohon (Mohammed)
                Not the Prophet of Islam, but a carbon copy of my funny cousin named Mohanned! Not Ali, because that would be offensive. Not the Allah Akbar dude, because that may offend the sheep ****ers!

                With so much political correctness in the world, a dinosaur like myself has to remember not to call a queen a queen,

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                • WaterHotSer
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by 285Kid
                  So is not ok for Wilder to fight somebody out his top 15 ranking but its ok for Canelo too?


                  When its was rumor that Wilder was going to fight Hughie Fury or Steve Cunningham people were going in on him in this forum

                  Canelo need to look at the top 15 at 160 and pick one
                  How the fk you going to compare Wilder borefest to Canelo?

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                  • WaterHotSer
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Zaroku
                    Hahahaha

                    Need to crap out a Manny Pacman!! Or a Mohon (Mohammed)
                    Not the Prophet of Islam, but a carbon copy of my funny cousin named Mohanned! Not Ali, because that would be offensive. Not the Allah Akbar dude, because that may offend the sheep ****ers!

                    With so much political correctness in the world, a dinosaur like myself has to remember not to call a queen a queen,
                    Water Hot The Water Is Hot Hot like Lava

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                    • MDPopescu
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by casheddie
                      This could be a bad move for GBP if the tix sales tank. The only good (makable) fight for Canelo is Lemieux and then GGG in Sept. Plus they would sell it as a PPV
                      And do you really see Lemieux dropping a fight against Canelo?

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