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Most boring fight you have ever seen?
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Rigo vs Agbenko literally put me to sleep, Malignaggi vs Judah was pretty bad as well. Vlad vs Povetkin and Mayweather vs Pacquiao were supremely boring but because of the names and the circumstances of the fights at least I was able to remain awake.
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Originally posted by New England View Postthis really is hysterical, when you think about it.
you watch boxing because it has the potential to be the most exciting sport on the planet when the matchmaking is proper.
yadda yadda yadda...just admit your guy has no shot at beating, or you have little faith...its not that hard
Like all them years when people were arguing over mayweather vs Pac......Besides insulting Mayweather or saying he ran, nobody really gave an assessment why they though Manny would win besides they like him....when fans, celebrities, boxers, and trainers said why they thought Mayweather won, they'd give a full in-ring assessment
boxing fans are turning into accountants and band wagon hopers
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[QUOTE=Szef;16369276]Takes two to tango, Donaire can definitely **** and has a very good timing, but let's not act like he's not a one dimensional fighter. People were wining about Rigo running in that fight, you know all the usual NSB ****, but if your opponents runs, you cut the ring off, simple as that. And Donaire didn't do it because he simply couldn't do it. Hence he's one dimensional. He got totally outclassed in that fight, it wasn't even close.[QUOTE]
most people on NSB don't know shyt about boxing
its not about what you're opponent does, its about what you do to take away his strengths
If you have a moving target, slide, shift and cut off the ring...don't follow them around winging at air hoping something lands
Same excuse came on May 2nd....everyone new 5 years ago Floyd wasn't gonna trade....he takes your best attributes away....that's what a REAL boxer does
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Originally posted by Szef View PostTakes two to tango, Donaire can definitely **** and has a very good timing, but let's not act like he's not a one dimensional fighter. People were wining about Rigo running in that fight, you know all the usual NSB ****, but if your opponents runs, you cut the ring off, simple as that. And Donaire didn't do it because he simply couldn't do it. Hence he's one dimensional. He got totally outclassed in that fight, it wasn't even close.
he dropped and hurt rigondeaux. the styles don't lend themselves to winning rounds, but he did get close to winning considering that hurting rigondeaux was the only way he could win. certainly you can't say that a puncher who gets to his opponent enough to put him down and hurt him wasn't close to what he was trying to do, which was catch his opponent, hurt him, and win the fight.
maybe you'll have to go through the early part of his career, but donaire was not the one trick pony he bacame later on in life when he fell in love with his power! he was a boxer / puncher / counterpuncher. he just happened to be the hardest pucnher i've ever seeen from 112 to 118, and he couldn't get away from trying to bomb in a weight class that's made for boxers, not bombers.
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easy one, Wlad-Fury. Two heavyweights and no action.
Rigo was an option but he was fighting a nobody, so I don't count it.
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Originally posted by xhiddenx87 View Posteasy one, Wlad-Fury. Two heavyweights and no action.
Rigo was an option but he was fighting a nobody, so I don't count it.
i hardly remember that he even fought
he's one fo the most boring boxers ever. that's just me being fair to other boxers who actually try and fight.
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Originally posted by New England View Posthe dropped and hurt rigondeaux. the styles don't lend themselves to winning rounds, but he did get close to winning considering that hurting rigondeaux was the only way he could win. certainly you can't say that a puncher who gets to his opponent enough to put him down and hurt him wasn't close to what he was trying to do, which was catch his opponent, hurt him, and win the fight.
maybe you'll have to go through the early part of his career, but donaire was not the one trick pony he bacame later on in life when he fell in love with his power! he was a boxer / puncher / counterpuncher. he just happened to be the hardest pucnher i've ever seeen from 112 to 118, and he couldn't get away from trying to bomb in a weight class that's made for boxers, not bombers.
Rigo gets dropped easily, but it's not easy to finish him off.
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Originally posted by Szef View PostHe dropped him while they were in the clinch, and he most definitely didn't hurt him, Rigo retaliated shortly after he got up. Just like against the Japanese dude. That's not what I'd call a close fight.
Rigo gets dropped easily, but it's not easy to finish him off.
huge difference between a fight being close and a guy being totally outclassed. i consider close rounds or fights one that could have gone either way, or in which one guy only has a slight edge over the other. i don't consider a puncher who is able to hurt his opponent. there's not much room between
you said yourself that donaire had a puncher's chance only. how's it "not close at all" [or whatever the wording was] when the big puncher is able to land his big punch and put his guy down cleanly? there's not a ton of room between dropped by the puncher and knocked out by the puncher. that's what he's there to do, and he did get the ball rolling by putting him down.
i also don't agree at all with your assessment of how hurt rigondeaux was. he wasn't off balance until the punch landed. he caught a left hook clean on the chin and went down. it moved him backwards physically.
you're also losing sight of the fact that the nature of the fight, in spite of a lack of contact for a championship fight at such a small weight class, lends itself to excitement.
donaire had the power to hurt rigondeaux, as evidenced by the left hook that put him down late in the fight. rigondeaux was boxing for a spot on the p4p list. donaire was the fighter of the year just a year prior, IIRC./
these are the things that lent themselves to that being being percieved as much more entertaining than any of rigondeaux's others.
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Originally posted by New England View Posthuge difference between a fight being close and a guy being totally outclassed. i consider close rounds or fights one that could have gone either way, or in which one guy only has a slight edge over the other. i don't consider a puncher who is able to hurt his opponent. there's not much room between
you said yourself that donaire had a puncher's chance only. how's it "not close at all" [or whatever the wording was] when the big puncher is able to land his big punch and put his guy down cleanly? there's not a ton of room between dropped by the puncher and knocked out by the puncher. that's what he's there to do, and he did get the ball rolling by putting him down.
i also don't agree at all with your assessment of how hurt rigondeaux was. he wasn't off balance until the punch landed. he caught a left hook clean on the chin and went down. it moved him backwards physically.
you're also losing sight of the fact that the nature of the fight, in spite of a lack of contact for a championship fight at such a small weight class, lends itself to excitement.
donaire had the power to hurt rigondeaux, as evidenced by the left hook that put him down late in the fight. rigondeaux was boxing for a spot on the p4p list. donaire was the fighter of the year just a year prior, IIRC./
these are the things that lent themselves to that being being percieved as much more entertaining than any of rigondeaux's others.
Rigo took away his tools, controlled the range, and won virtually every exchange in that fight. He was never in danger, not even when he got knocked down. And like I said, he got knocked down when he was in a clinch, that's different than getting timed and clocked, like Darchyinan did for example.
And Rigo got up immediately, retaliated, basically said "Is that all you got?"Last edited by Szef; 01-04-2016, 04:28 PM.
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