Is Ducking & Cherrypicking the IN THING now in American Boxing culture?

[cupocity303]

Gennady Golovkin is brave. Deontay Wilder is a coward.

Deontay Wilder has beaten more top-3 ranked contenders in his career than Golovkin.

Strange how that works. Maybe you are just biased against Americans and expect more out of them than you do out of others?

Are you really taking this route? A guy who didn't become Paper Champ until he was 33-0 who is ducking his #1 mandatory by dragging it out till the last minute VS a Middleweight Paper Champ (yes GGG is still not the real Champ) who currently is the #1 mandatory to Canelo's Real middleweight crown, who nabbed up a Interim WBA Belt at 18-0 and has been making title defenses for the last 5 years.

Remember, we are not gonna fall trap to ******ed analogies like this, distracting from the overall point.

[cupocity303]

I was with you all the way up until you mentioned Jacobs ducking GGG.

This is what I'm talking about. You guys say EVERYBODY is ducking GGG, but he has fights available to him that his team either don't sign off on or initiate.

But back to the matter at hand, how in the world did Jacobs duck GGG???

Ok fine, I lumped him in with the rest of the peanut gallery. I must have thought of his vacating the WBO Middleweight Belt in order not to face a certain opponent.

We will remove Quillin from the overall point. Satisfied?

[Chollo Vista]

Ok fine, I lumped him in with the rest of the peanut gallery. I must have thought of his vacating the WBO Middleweight Belt in order not to face a certain opponent.

We will remove Quillin from the overall point. Satisfied?

I never mentioned Quillin, I was talking about Jacobs.

[IMDAZED]

We all know the more famous fighters who were accused of ducking and cherry picking (mayweather), and without rehashing the merits of it, at least those guys defended themselves against critics to an extent.

But it's like the New Crop of Fighters have taken the Ducking/cherrypicking/being a smart businessman thing and made it fashionable. Like they're not even denying it and are unashamedly boasting about it. Deonte Wilder is the prime example of it. But there are others.

This is not a Eastern-European phenomenon (despite criticism leveled at GGG, which is anecdotal. Eastern Euro's have no concept of fake trash talking to sell tickets OR being a calculated businessman cherrypicker.). This is the in-thing in Western culture, predominantly the U.S. -- Carl Froch also displayed it with regards to facing Andre Ward. But individual cases are not as important as the overall culture.

We all know that in fake Wrestling (a western creation) like the WWE, they have a thing called a "heel" who is usually a cowardly bad guy character who cheats and avoids one-on-one confrontations with the Good guy character. The heel is usually very cocky and arrogant and boasts about his cheating and cowardly ways.

We now have Rap songs dedicated to how cool it is to duck fights and make "smart calculated decisions" as if part of the world wide Money Team. It's being popularized in Urban culture like sagging beltless pants and cornrows. The traditional machismo culture found in ethnic boxing circles (i.e. Mexican & puerto rican fighting culture) is also being poisoned & infiltrated by these western ideas, as seen by businessman Miguel Cotto - who in his last few fights referred to himself as the "A-side" during difficult negotiations while publicly acknowledging that he is ducking the biggest challenge in the division he was campaigning in. We had Jacobs and Quillin publicly acknowledging their ducking of GGG. We have Money Stevenson who thought he was signing a Mayweather-esque Showtime contract that is worth millions.

We also have active defenders on this forum of the ducking & cherrypicking business formula, who are most likely criminal degenerates. The types who would shoot you in the back before mugging you (as happened to the great Vernon Forrest).

Stevenson, Jacobs and Quillin aren't a new crop. One is almost 40. If you're referring to Garcia, Thurman, Porter, Broner, I'd say most if not all, have tested themselves.

[sicko]

You sound ******! This is certainly not exclusive to American Boxing. Guys get punched in the ***ing head for a living, why would we be mad at them for trying to make the most money possible every time they fight. If Networks want the big fights they have to PAY just like we have the pay for PPV's for big fights!

Anybody come to your job and tell you how you should just shut up and keep working and not try to get a Promotion on your job? Not much has changed in boxing over the years, boxing fans are just becoming more and more ignorant and Disrespectful because they think some how they're making a impact on the boxing world by posting ****** stuff on a forum. What are boxing fans doing for Magomed Abdusalamov now that he can't box and take care of his family



Mind you majority of these guys don't have medical benefits or any of that stuff, they're basically Freelancers with No Benefits, No Union or any of that **** so YES they should make the most they can every time they step into a ring

Same fans also likely accused Prichard Colon of faking a injury during his last fight I sure. People demand a lot from these guys but clearly have absolutely NO RESPECT for what they do but yet you want them to take big fights for whatever the amount that is offered to them

And to be honest, GGG has turned into one of the biggest businessmen in boxing. I'm sure you'll deny it and refuse to speak on it.
HeroBando sicko

This is what I'm talking about. These guys make these "ducking" allegations just for fun.

How in the world is Jacobs ducking GGG???

Yeah I see it

Who haven't been labeled as Ducking or a Cherry Picking on this damn forum some of these guys post whatever for a little attention.

[cupocity303]

I never mentioned Quillin, I was talking about Jacobs.

Oh were you? Because I had no real dirt on Quillin that I could remember off the top of my head. But Jacobs on the other hand:




Daniel Jacobs: ‘Skills Pay the Bills’ / Just Don’t Expect GGG Fight Yet!!!

Olly Campbell - December 1, 2015


WBA (reg) middleweight champion, Daniel Jacobs (30-1, 27ko) believes that he will have a decisive edge over Brooklyn rival Peter Quillin on Saturday night at New York’s Barclays Center, saying he is the fighter with the greater speed and skill set.

The winner of the fight will [still] be in the unenviable position of being mandatory challenger to Kazakh wrecking machine, Gennady Golovkin, who holds the top tier WBA strap as well as the IBF 160 lb title he ripped away from David Lemieux in October.


Yet with neither Jacobs, or former WBO titlist, Quillin, having appeared keen to sign on for a clash with Golovkin previously, fans hold little hope of this fight between them changing anything in that regard for the future, meaning that for many, the bout is being seen as of little immediate consequence to the middleweight division to anyone outside of New York.

“Skills pay the bills, I have a lot of skills over ‘Kid Chocolate.’ I think speed is my biggest advantage,” Jacobs said via fighthub.

“We’re both power punchers, he’s probably a bigger puncher than I am, ’cause he’s heavier than I am naturally, but that’s an advantage to me ’cause the more muscle mass you have, the slower you are. With all that power, he has to get to me. It’s no good just being a bigger puncher, he has to land those shots.

“If I can end it with a knockout, then that’s what I’ll do, but my main focus is to use my skills and use my advantages [to win],” he added.

Speaking about the future, Jacobs is making no secret of the fact that a Golovkin fight is not on his radar – at least for now – should he emerge victorious over the fellow Al Haymon advised Quillin, saying;

“I’ve just been focused on this [Quillin] fight for so long, so I’ll have to wait and see who is the main man I’m gonna call out next. A lotta people say that’s GGG, so as I’m working my way up the ladder, I feel that maybe I can get the Andy Lee’s [WBO] or maybe the Canelo’s [WBC], before ultimately getting ‘GGG, you know what I’m saying?”

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...ight-yet/50203

[Chollo Vista]

Oh were you? Because I had no real dirt on Quillin that I could remember off the top of my head. But Jacobs on the other hand:




Daniel Jacobs: ‘Skills Pay the Bills’ / Just Don’t Expect GGG Fight Yet!!!

Olly Campbell - December 1, 2015


WBA (reg) middleweight champion, Daniel Jacobs (30-1, 27ko) believes that he will have a decisive edge over Brooklyn rival Peter Quillin on Saturday night at New York’s Barclays Center, saying he is the fighter with the greater speed and skill set.

The winner of the fight will [still] be in the unenviable position of being mandatory challenger to Kazakh wrecking machine, Gennady Golovkin, who holds the top tier WBA strap as well as the IBF 160 lb title he ripped away from David Lemieux in October.


Yet with neither Jacobs, or former WBO titlist, Quillin, having appeared keen to sign on for a clash with Golovkin previously, fans hold little hope of this fight between them changing anything in that regard for the future, meaning that for many, the bout is being seen as of little immediate consequence to the middleweight division to anyone outside of New York.

“Skills pay the bills, I have a lot of skills over ‘Kid Chocolate.’ I think speed is my biggest advantage,” Jacobs said via fighthub.

“We’re both power punchers, he’s probably a bigger puncher than I am, ’cause he’s heavier than I am naturally, but that’s an advantage to me ’cause the more muscle mass you have, the slower you are. With all that power, he has to get to me. It’s no good just being a bigger puncher, he has to land those shots.

“If I can end it with a knockout, then that’s what I’ll do, but my main focus is to use my skills and use my advantages [to win],” he added.

Speaking about the future, Jacobs is making no secret of the fact that a Golovkin fight is not on his radar – at least for now – should he emerge victorious over the fellow Al Haymon advised Quillin, saying;

“I’ve just been focused on this [Quillin] fight for so long, so I’ll have to wait and see who is the main man I’m gonna call out next. A lotta people say that’s GGG, so as I’m working my way up the ladder, I feel that maybe I can get the Andy Lee’s [WBO] or maybe the Canelo’s [WBC], before ultimately getting ‘GGG, you know what I’m saying?”

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...ight-yet/50203

http://www.boxingscene.com/jacobs-i-...r-money--99052

Fighters not overlooking their opponent before a fight is customary. A fighter saying he's focused on his opponent and not wanting to talk about anyone else before their fight is absolutely normal.

BTW, why hasn't Team GGG made Jacobs any offers? I haven't heard one thing from the media regarding Team Golovkin mentioning anything about Daniel Jacobs, but you're saying he's ducking Golovkin?

[cupocity303]

So Jacobs goes from this:



source: http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...08-08-20-11-31


to this:




What gives?

[Chollo Vista]

So Jacobs goes from this:



source: http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...08-08-20-11-31


to this:




What gives?

So you're not going to maturely respond to my post above, but resort to this?

I knew I shouldn't have entered this thread. I'm out. Have fun.

[cupocity303]

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Fighters not overlooking their opponent before a fight is customary. A fighter saying he's focused on his opponent and not wanting to talk about anyone else before their fight is absolutely normal.

I feel that maybe I can get the Andy Lee’s [WBO] or maybe the Canelo’s [WBC], before ultimately getting ‘GGG, you know what I’m saying?” -- Daniel Jacobs.

Where in that quote where he mentions facing two opponents before ever facing GGG, is he just focused on his opponent?

BTW, why hasn't Team GGG made Jacobs any offers? I haven't heard one thing from the media regarding Team Golovkin mentioning anything about Daniel Jacobs, but you're saying he's ducking Golovkin?

Why would the 'Super' WBA Middleweight Champion make any offer and chase after the 'Regular' WBA Middleweight champion? Shouldn't that be Jacob's job?