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Is Ducking & Cherrypicking the IN THING now in American Boxing culture?

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  • Is Ducking & Cherrypicking the IN THING now in American Boxing culture?

    We all know the more famous fighters who were accused of ducking and cherry picking (mayweather), and without rehashing the merits of it, at least those guys defended themselves against critics to an extent.

    But it's like the New Crop of Fighters have taken the Ducking/cherrypicking/being a smart businessman thing and made it fashionable. Like they're not even denying it and are unashamedly boasting about it. Deonte Wilder is the prime example of it. But there are others.

    This is not a Eastern-European phenomenon (despite criticism leveled at GGG, which is anecdotal. Eastern Euro's have no concept of fake trash talking to sell tickets OR being a calculated businessman cherrypicker.). This is the in-thing in Western culture, predominantly the U.S. -- Carl Froch also displayed it with regards to facing Andre Ward. But individual cases are not as important as the overall culture.

    We all know that in fake Wrestling (a western creation) like the WWE, they have a thing called a "heel" who is usually a cowardly bad guy character who cheats and avoids one-on-one confrontations with the Good guy character. The heel is usually very cocky and arrogant and boasts about his cheating and cowardly ways.

    We now have Rap songs dedicated to how cool it is to duck fights and make "smart calculated decisions" as if part of the world wide Money Team. It's being popularized in Urban culture like sagging beltless pants and cornrows. The traditional machismo culture found in ethnic boxing circles (i.e. Mexican & puerto rican fighting culture) is also being poisoned & infiltrated by these western ideas, as seen by businessman Miguel Cotto - who in his last few fights referred to himself as the "A-side" during difficult negotiations while publicly acknowledging that he is ducking the biggest challenge in the division he was campaigning in. We had Jacobs and Quillin publicly acknowledging their ducking of GGG. We have Money Stevenson who thought he was signing a Mayweather-esque Showtime contract that is worth millions.

    We also have active defenders on this forum of the ducking & cherrypicking business formula, who are most likely criminal degenerates. The types who would shoot you in the back before mugging you (as happened to the great Vernon Forrest).

    Last edited by cupocity303; 01-03-2016, 04:49 AM.

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    Yes indeed, and it's disgraceful.

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    • #3
      It's prizefighting and not really a new phenomenon. The sport used to be mob run after all.

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      • #4
        Personally I think this is something organisations need to take control of. They should force more mandatory fights and have better systems to rank challengers.

        There's no reason a world title holder should not fight the #2 each year.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by -Weltschmerz- View Post
          It's prizefighting and not really a new phenomenon. The sport used to be mob run after all.

          I am not talking about the ducking itself, but rather the fighters who are wearing it as a badge of honor.

          I can almost see Wilder, Stevenson, Quillin, Jacobs and Co. start wearing a T-shirt that says, "Ducking and proud of it" with a TMT/Al Haymon logo on it.
          Last edited by cupocity303; 01-03-2016, 05:02 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cupo303 View Post

            I am not talking about the ducking itself, but rather the fighters who are wearing as badge of honor.

            I can almost see Wilder, Stevenson, Quillin, Jacobs and Co. start wearing a T-shirt that says, "Ducking and proud of it" with a TMT/Al Haymon logo on it.
            Stevenson defo wants to avoid Kovalev.

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            • #7
              Seems to be prevalent amongst a certain group of American fighters. You could never accuse Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Devin Alexander and others of ducking and looking for the easiest fights possible. But there are plenty of young American fighters into the "money lifestyle" where that's a common trend.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cupo303 View Post

                I am not talking about the ducking itself, but rather the fighters who are wearing it as a badge of honor.

                I can almost see Wilder, Stevenson, Quillin, Jacobs and Co. start wearing a T-shirt that says, "Ducking and proud of it" with a TMT/Al Haymon logo on it.
                Who is Jacobs ducking?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ИATAS View Post
                  Seems to be prevalent amongst a certain group of American fighters. You could never accuse Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Devin Alexander and others of ducking and looking for the easiest fights possible. But there are plenty of young American fighters into the "money lifestyle" where that's a common trend.
                  This is correct.

                  Very few fighters today would risk their 0's.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cupo303 View Post

                    I am not talking about the ducking itself, but rather the fighters who are wearing it as a badge of honor.

                    I can almost see Wilder, Stevenson, Quillin, Jacobs and Co. start wearing a T-shirt that says, "Ducking and proud of it" with a TMT/Al Haymon logo on it.
                    Every fighters situation is different and a person must follow the sport. Plus you have the politics behind boxing with fans and boxing organizations.
                    People call Stevenson a ducker because he didn't like HBO's offer for the Kovalev fight. However Manny turned down the biggest garunteed purse in boxing twice yet somehow Floyd is the ducker. People cried for Broner to move up division after division yet it's cancerous for GGG to move up one division. Too many inconsistencies in boxing to take this sport seriously anymore. Same goes for NSB.

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