PBC/Haymon Elite Boxers Influence at the end of 2015

[killakali]

Boxing is never gonna have the consistency it needs to be taken as a "serious" sport again by just doing big fights a couple times a year. Just about every sport except boxing has some sort of elite athlete league. There is more value in everyone being in the same pool than in 5 or 6 major pools (HBO, TR, K2, ME, etc...) like you mention.

This isn't that complicated a concept imo. If the NFL was broken up into 5 or 6 major pools of talent good luck trying to get the super bowl popping off every year. I mean think about how major sports would look if there was a similar setup as boxing where its every man for himself. You can't have a fractured sport like boxing is & get maximum influence for the sport of boxing. No one is looking out for boxing. TR is looking out for TR. K2 is looking out for K2. Etc & so on. Boxing needs an elite league of boxers where boxing is being looked out for like the NFL looks out for football, the NBA looks out for basketball & the UFC looks out for MMA.

it will never happen. boxing is a world wie sport. there are so many promoters out there who don't need pbc. plus new fighters coming up all the time with other promoters. no one enity can get all the talent.

Make no mistake about it. Haymon is looking out for Haymon too. thats why wilder hasn't fought povetkin yet either even though any of the pbc networks would love to have that fight.

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i dont get why u guys keep saying one promoter/manager has to have a big roster for a network to want boxing. they were in boxing before with different promoters, managers etc with no issues. same with hbo and showtime before they were in bed with haymon. if nbc, cbs etc wants to be in boxing they don't have to give an exclusive output deal. let the promoters bring fights to the table and say yay or nay to them. this talk that it has to be a league is nonsense. HBO works with trop rank, k2, gbp, shaw, main events etc

I think it's the other way around. The promoters are the ones who ran to premium cable when cable was throwing around money to attract subscribers. Networks were still buying fights when they were presented to them if the fight was big enough to broadcast. Fox bought a Golden Boy fight a cpl of years ago. NBC bought Main Events fights. It was more of a one off thing. Haymon can supply the networks with a years worth of fights and with big names. No other single entity can do that and has never been able to do that.

[Eff Pandas]

it will never happen. boxing is a world wie sport. there are so many promoters out there who don't need pbc. plus new fighters coming up all the time with other promoters. no one enity can get all the talent.

There is a huge difference between getting all the talent & most of the talent. Haymon is already halfway towards holding a majority percentage of the elite boxers in 9 months of PBC activity. Whats this percentage look like in another 12 months? Idk myself, but I'd bet its not going backwards.

And I believe someone eventually will be able to do this in boxing to end it being a fractured sport. If its Haymon or the guy after Haymon or the guy after that guy, but someone will do it cuz its such an obvious move & has worked great for other sports.

Most promoters will fall in line eventually cuz they will even see the positive impact for them on a personal business level &/or how its of benefit to the sport they love to have an elite league of boxers. And the guys who don't will either go outta business or become competitors to this future elite league of boxers similar to how the UFC has numerous competitor leagues that the UFC largely uses as a farm system.

Make no mistake about it. Haymon is looking out for Haymon too.

Well sure no one said Haymon is the Mother Teresa of boxing. The guys who got the NFL going were looking out for themselves to, but there was a greater good for the sport of football & for fans of football that happened too. Same with the UFC. Dana & those casino brothers did good for themselves, but it also took mixed martial arts to a new level in sports as it was also fractured chaos & barely a sport before them. Boxing unified will have a similar outcome for fans & boxing as a sport.

[Eff Pandas]

No one entity needs to get all of the talent. They just have to get enough of the American talent to land a lucrative American TV deal. Sprinkle in some of the best international talent and you'd have the premier league in the world. Basketball is a worldwide sport too. The NBA doesn't have every single one of the best players in the world, but it has most of them and is recognized as the place where most of the best go to play.

IF Haymon can land a 50 or 100 million a year TV deal for PBC, that is way way more than HBO's entire budget. So *most* of the best talent will want their piece of that pie.

It's a slippery slope. Haymon will continue to grow and grow while HBO continues to shrink and shrink until HBO decides it isn't worth the aggravation and allocates those funds elsewhere.

Yep to all this.

And as for HBO there budget has been shrinking year by year for ~20yrs. I remember when HBO had a $100M+ budget. Now they got about a third of that. HBO has helped make boxing a smaller sport I think you could argue. It was bound to happen someone would see how little money HBO was able to control boxing with & think what if I got double or triple (or about 15x in Haymon's case) that bankroll lined up, what could I do.

[killakali]

I think it's the other way around. The promoters are the ones who ran to premium cable when cable was throwing around money to attract subscribers. Networks were still buying fights when they were presented to them if the fight was big enough to broadcast. Fox bought a Golden Boy fight a cpl of years ago. NBC bought Main Events fights. It was more of a one off thing. Haymon can supply the networks with a years worth of fights and with big names. No other single entity can do that and has never been able to do that.

you are right that in the 70s the premium networks got the promoters because they offered more money than free tv. that tells you that they offered more for fights which proves my point even more. fox buying that one fight wasn't a few years ago. that was over 10 years ago. Main Events had to work hard to get nbc sports mind you (nbc only showed like 3-4 fights) on really small license fees

[killakali]

There is a huge difference between getting all the talent & most of the talent. Haymon is already halfway towards holding a majority percentage of the elite boxers in 9 months of PBC activity. Whats this percentage look like in another 12 months? Idk myself, but I'd bet its not going backwards.

And I believe someone eventually will be able to do this in boxing to end it being a fractured sport. If its Haymon or the guy after Haymon or the guy after that guy, but someone will do it cuz its such an obvious move & has worked great for other sports.

Most promoters will fall in line eventually cuz they will even see the positive impact for them on a personal business level &/or how its of benefit to the sport they love to have an elite league of boxers. And the guys who don't will either go outta business or become competitors to this future elite league of boxers similar to how the UFC has numerous competitor leagues that the UFC largely uses as a farm system.



Well sure no one said Haymon is the Mother Teresa of boxing. The guys who got the NFL going were looking out for themselves to, but there was a greater good for the sport of football & for fans of football that happened too. Same with the UFC. Dana & those casino brothers did good for themselves, but it also took mixed martial arts to a new level in sports as it was also fractured chaos & barely a sport before them. Boxing unified will have a similar outcome for fans & boxing as a sport.

he has a quarter of the current talent now that is in the top 10 as you did your research. That doesn't mean he is half way to half way. some of his guys are on the way out. Some won't pan out and other promoters will have guys that turn into that top 10 especially GBP who has reloaded with prospects.

There are too many euro mexican and japanese fighters he doesn't have

[killakali]

You just have no idea what you're talking about man. A network like NBC spends around $2.5 million an hour for a competition show like The Voice, around $1.5 million an hour for a drama and around $1 million an hour for a lower end reality show.

So a PBC on NBC card would have to cost $10 million for the TV license fee alone for the reality show to only cost 10%.

It's hilarious to watch you guys act like you know anything about anything.

you really don't either know what you are talking about or understand what i said. again a show like The Voice blows pbc's ratings out of the water. That is why they pay that big $ out plus they have sponsors that would never advertise boxing

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you really don't either know what you are talking about or understand what i said. again a show like The Voice blows pbc's ratings out of the water. That is why they pay that big $ out plus they have sponsors that would never advertise boxing

Yes and the Voice comes on TV on Saturday night.

[Eff Pandas]

he has a quarter of the current talent now that is in the top 10 as you did your research. That doesn't mean he is half way to half way. some of his guys are on the way out. Some won't pan out and other promoters will have guys that turn into that top 10 especially GBP who has reloaded with prospects.

You keep bringing up obvious things like some guys won't pan out or some guys are on their way out. You know that, I know that & surely Haymon knows that. Some guys won't pan out & some guys are on their way out for everyone in the business. Thats how this game works.

Things change on a dime in boxing. Thing is he's got a bigger piece of the pie than any one particular entity at all levels of the game. Haymon is building for the future on a level no one has done in boxing before.

If you got 25+% of the current top guys, 25+% of the top abc ranked guys & 25+% of the top prospects & you keep gaining ground its a math equation of you getting to a higher & higher % of the market & via the impact of that market share on the guys outside of that entity looking in, not a unfulfillable fantasy.

There are too many euro mexican and japanese fighters he doesn't have

A large pool of the Mexican & Japanese & other Asian countries are smaller guys who just don't command the money or attention that the bigger guys do.

Its a solid plan that would leave those smaller divisions til later on. You wanna acquire the bigger guys first. 118+lbs (13 of the 17 weight divisions) is where Haymon has made most of his moves so far & lets be real most fans don't give a damn about guys under 130lbs for the most part & perhaps even a couple divisions higher than that.

So taking the UFC approach of conquering the heavier weight divisions first & then buying WEC, which had the lower weight high level guys, seems like the obvious plan here. Idk if anyone is going to create a WEC-like entity in boxing, but regardless Haymon shouldn't focus on the grabbing of 105lbers on a mass scale til later on when he already has a stranglehold on boxing like the UFC did.

[killakali]

Yes and the Voice comes on TV on Saturday night.

compare their ratings. and the fact that companies will sponsor them that won't sponsor boxing