PBC/Haymon Elite Boxers Influence at the end of 2015

[IMDAZED]

compare their ratings. and the fact that companies will sponsor them that won't sponsor boxing

Why would we compare them? Are they aired on Saturday night on a premium network?

[killakali]

You keep bringing up obvious things like some guys won't pan out or some guys are on their way out. You know that, I know that & surely Haymon knows that. Some guys won't pan out & some guys are on their way out for everyone in the business. Thats how this game works.

Things change on a dime in boxing. Thing is he's got a bigger piece of the pie than any one particular entity at all levels of the game. Haymon is building for the future on a level no one has done in boxing before.

If you got 25+% of the current top guys, 25+% of the top abc ranked guys & 25+% of the top prospects & you keep gaining ground its a math equation of you getting to a higher & higher % of the market & via the impact of that market share on the guys outside of that entity looking in, not a unfulfillable fantasy.



A large pool of the Mexican & Japanese & other Asian countries are smaller guys who just don't command the money or attention that the bigger guys do.

Its a solid plan that would leave those smaller divisions til later on. You wanna acquire the bigger guys first. 118+lbs (13 of the 17 weight divisions) is where Haymon has made most of his moves so far & lets be real most fans don't give a damn about guys under 130lbs for the most part & perhaps even a couple divisions higher than that.

So taking the UFC approach of conquering the heavier weight divisions first & then buying WEC, which had the lower weight high level guys, seems like the obvious plan here. Idk if anyone is going to create a WEC-like entity in boxing, but regardless Haymon shouldn't focus on the grabbing of 105lbers on a mass scale til later on when he already has a stranglehold on boxing like the UFC did.

You can't compare what hes trying to do to UFC. MMA was a relatively new sport with way less competition than boxing. Boxing has been around hundreds of years with a lot of tradition in many countries. It is impossible to "UFC" boxing. There isn't enough time or money to do it.

Go back less than 2 years and Top Rank had almost all the players at featherweight. Now Haymon does. In a year it will change again.

I wouldn't say that Haymon has most of the top prospects either. There are tons of Euros with K2 Main Events and Top Rank that look like they will be future stars.

Guys like Verdejo Valdez Diego De La Hoya etc are locked in for 5 more years before they can even think about changing promoters and likely won't want to.

[killakali]

Why would we compare them? Are they aired on Saturday night on a premium network?

its the same type of channels that pbc is airing on lol. That is why

[Ham Porter]

Haymon is not ****** he knows how to run his business, he has built himself a very successful Concert Promotion in which he sold half if that to Live Nation for A LOT of money.

Same will likely happen to PBC, I think he will build it up slowly and the hope is to get a Major Multi Network TV Deal package. I know fans are b1tching about match ups but why would anybody spend their own Money for TV Time and also give these Networks your best match ups all for free on your dime? Screw that, again that is proof that Haymon is smart, if you really want the best match ups on your network then you will have to invest. So the best match ups will go to Showtime for now because Showtime is likely putting up money for those fights and those other networks are not invest in PBC Yet.

No network is going to look at an awful product that delivers poor ratings and think it'd be a good idea to invest any time and money in it. Haymon should be using these time buys to advertise his product in the best possible way. Deliberately producing poor matchups and saving the better ones for other networks that you haven't purchased time buys for is completely ******ed and counterproductive.

[sicko]

No network is going to look at an awful product that delivers poor ratings and think it'd be a good idea to invest any time and money in it. Haymon should be using these time buys to advertise his product in the best possible way. Deliberately producing poor matchups and saving the better ones for other networks that you haven't purchased time buys for is completely ******ed and counterproductive.

What successful company have you built?

Not going to waste my time going back and forth with TROLL sorry. You think Kell Brook is the most avoided fighter in boxing...ENOUGH SAID!

[IMDAZED]

its the same type of channels that pbc is airing on lol. That is why

But not the same day or time. So...what were you saying?

[IMDAZED]

No network is going to look at an awful product that delivers poor ratings and think it'd be a good idea to invest any time and money in it. Haymon should be using these time buys to advertise his product in the best possible way. Deliberately producing poor matchups and saving the better ones for other networks that you haven't purchased time buys for is completely ******ed and counterproductive.

This alt still around?

[Eff Pandas]

You can't compare what hes trying to do to UFC. MMA was a relatively new sport with way less competition than boxing. Boxing has been around hundreds of years with a lot of tradition in many countries. It is impossible to "UFC" boxing. There isn't enough time or money to do it.

Of course you can compare it to what happened with MMA via the UFC.

Is it exactly the same? Of course not, but there are clearly similarities to be made.

Go back less than 2 years and Top Rank had almost all the players at featherweight. Now Haymon does. In a year it will change again.

Big difference. TR had a couple of the top guys in one weight division & things aligned so that they were among the top of the division at the same time. Haymon/PBC gots 25% of the top guys in boxing right now. And he gots a similar % of abc ranked fighters & he gots a similar % of prospects.

I wouldn't say that Haymon has most of the top prospects either. There are tons of Euros with K2 Main Events and Top Rank that look like they will be future stars.

Guys like Verdejo Valdez Diego De La Hoya etc are locked in for 5 more years before they can even think about changing promoters and likely won't want to.

I think maybe you got a limited knowledge of the guys coming up. And in particular the prospects in PBC's web of influence. PBC/Haymon DEFINITELY got the best roster of 21yrs & under boxers in the game right now.

-Gervonta Davis, 21yrs, 14-0 (13) + 206-15/ama, 135lbs, Floyd's guy
-Erickson Lubin, 20yrs, 13-0 (10) + 143-7/ama, 154lbs, supposedly being primed for a 154lb title shot in a PBC controlled weight division in 2016
-Mario Barrios, 20yrs, 14-0 (8), 130lbs, 6'0 130lber
-David Benavidez, 19yrs, 11-0 (10), 175lbs, Jose's brother
-Chris Colbert, 19yrs, 3-0 (2), 126lbs, passed on the US Olympic Trials to turn pro
-Ramil Gadzhiev, 18yrs, 1-0 (1) + 262-4/ama, 168lbs, being hyped as "the next GGG"

Also notable, but unattached it seems:
-Devin Haney, 17yrs, 2-0 (2) + 130-8/ama, 130lbs, doesn't appear to be with anyone yet (actually has his own promotional company, Devin Haney Promotions, already) as he just turned 17 in November & has had both pro fights in Mexico, but seems to be hanging out at Mayweather's Gym a lot so fair bet right now that he'll end up with PBC, Haymon &/or Mayweather Promotions, lotsa people are hyping him as the next big thing in boxing

And this is more or less the same with 22yrs+ prospects but harder to list like I listed these cats cuz there are dozens & dozens of them.

Feel free to show me anyone in the game with this caliber of guys 21 or younger doe if you know of anyone.

I just don't for the life of me understand how you think that there is a 0% failure rate with this PBC thing. They clearly got a solid plan put together here & they already got a hold on elite level boxers like I've never seen in boxing. Hell I don't see this as 100% doable myself, but I definitely think they got an extremely solid to great shot of changing boxing for the better with this whole PBC deal. I don't think Arum & Oscar would be suing if there wasn't a solid risk that PBC could achieve what its trying to achieve. I think maybe you just got some biases to think its destined to fail like so many others who can't understand or don't seem to wanna understand the levels to this whole attempt to create a league of elite boxers like boxing so desperately needs.

[Ham Porter]

What successful company have you built?

Not going to waste my time going back and forth with TROLL sorry. You think Kell Brook is the most avoided fighter in boxing...ENOUGH SAID!

"Al's spending millions of dollars on time buys to purposely advertise a ****ty product in the vain hope that these same networks are going to turn around after the deal ends and fork over a ****load of money for an unprofitable and undesirable product. Good business sense, y'all!"

[killakali]

Of course you can compare it to what happened with MMA via the UFC.

Is it exactly the same? Of course not, but there are clearly similarities to be made.



Big difference. TR had a couple of the top guys in one weight division & things aligned so that they were among the top of the division at the same time. Haymon/PBC gots 25% of the top guys in boxing right now. And he gots a similar % of abc ranked fighters & he gots a similar % of prospects.



I think maybe you got a limited knowledge of the guys coming up. And in particular the prospects in PBC's web of influence. PBC/Haymon DEFINITELY got the best roster of 21yrs & under boxers in the game right now.

-Gervonta Davis, 21yrs, 14-0 (13) + 206-15/ama, 135lbs, Floyd's guy
-Erickson Lubin, 20yrs, 13-0 (10) + 143-7/ama, 154lbs, supposedly being primed for a 154lb title shot in a PBC controlled weight division in 2016
-Mario Barrios, 20yrs, 14-0 (8), 130lbs, 6'0 130lber
-David Benavidez, 19yrs, 11-0 (10), 175lbs, Jose's brother
-Chris Colbert, 19yrs, 3-0 (2), 126lbs, passed on the US Olympic Trials to turn pro
-Ramil Gadzhiev, 18yrs, 1-0 (1) + 262-4/ama, 168lbs, being hyped as "the next GGG"

Also notable, but unattached it seems:
-Devin Haney, 17yrs, 2-0 (2) + 130-8/ama, 130lbs, doesn't appear to be with anyone yet (actually has his own promotional company, Devin Haney Promotions, already) as he just turned 17 in November & has had both pro fights in Mexico, but seems to be hanging out at Mayweather's Gym a lot so fair bet right now that he'll end up with PBC, Haymon &/or Mayweather Promotions, lotsa people are hyping him as the next big thing in boxing

And this is more or less the same with 22yrs+ prospects but harder to list like I listed these cats cuz there are dozens & dozens of them.

Feel free to show me anyone in the game with this caliber of guys 21 or younger doe if you know of anyone.

I just don't for the life of me understand how you think that there is a 0% failure rate with this PBC thing. They clearly got a solid plan put together here & they already got a hold on elite level boxers like I've never seen in boxing. Hell I don't see this as 100% doable myself, but I definitely think they got an extremely solid to great shot of changing boxing for the better with this whole PBC deal. I don't think Arum & Oscar would be suing if there wasn't a solid risk that PBC could achieve what its trying to achieve. I think maybe you just got some biases to think its destined to fail like so many others who can't understand or don't seem to wanna understand the levels to this whole attempt to create a league of elite boxers like boxing so desperately needs.

Actually Top Rank turned down David Benavidez and I read that Devin Haney is working a deal to be on a couple Top Rank cards too. The up and comers most people like are guys like Verdejo Valdez Diego De La Hoya Jo Jo Diaz Jose Ramirez etc. PBC does have guys like Errol Spence who look really good too but they seem to sign guys in waves where companies like GBP and TR seem to want quality more than quality like that 8-0 guy on the Fox Sports `1 card that lost last night.

Of course not all prospects will pan out but it seems like the promoters have vastly different strategies.