Comments Thread For: Roach: Golovkin Needs To Beat Ward To Be P4P Best!

[j0zef]

Personally, I don't think Gennady HAS to beat Ward to become #1 P4P. But its definitely his quickest route.

I absolutely agree that it's the quickest route (Kovalev is just as "quick"), my issue with NSB is that according to majority of people who dislike Golovkin, it's his ONLY route. Everyone else is either a "cab driver" or "undersized".

[ShoulderRoll]

If Ward wants the fight so bad he can drop down in weight. He did make Chad Dawson drop down in weight

Ward has already had legacy fights. And he has another one coming up in Kovalev.

It's Golovkin who needs Andre Ward desperately if he wants to be #1 p4p and considered a true great. He's the one who should "want the fight so bad."

I absolutely agree that it's the quickest route (Kovalev is just as "quick"), my issue with NSB is that according to majority of people who dislike Golovkin, it's his ONLY route. Everyone else is either a "cab driver" or "undersized".

According to NSB and to Freddie Roach.

[hitking]

I absolutely agree that it's the quickest route (Kovalev is just as "quick"), my issue with NSB is that according to majority of people who dislike Golovkin, it's his ONLY route. Everyone else is either a "cab driver" or "undersized".

My problem with GGG is that he's shown more of a willingness to fight smaller guys moving up than a willingness to fight the bigger guys, especially when it comes to Ward. And that's just not cool.

As for his comp, it is what it is. There aren't any exciting options for him at middleweight, outside of Canelo. And if GGG wants to stay there, fine. But, it takes a very long stretch of divisional dominance to become a top P4P guy. Especially when the division is weak. The most recent example that comes to mind is Calzage at super middleweight. He dominated that division for a decade before he started to be recognized as a P4P guy. And even then, he still had to move up and beat Hopkins before being truly excepted as a bonafide elite.

[j0zef]

My problem with GGG is that he's shown more of a willingness to fight smaller guys moving up than a willingness to fight the bigger guys, especially when it comes to Ward. And that's just not cool.

As for his comp, it is what it is. There aren't any exciting options for him at middleweight, outside of Canelo. And if GGG wants to stay there, fine. But, it takes a very long stretch of divisional dominance to become a top P4P guy. Especially when the division is weak. The most recent example that comes to mind is Calzage at super middleweight. He dominated that division for a decade before he started to be recognized as a P4P guy. And even then, he still had to move up and beat Hopkins before being truly excepted as a bonafide elite.

Sorry man, but that is absolute horse****.

There are only 2 guys that are "smaller" that Golovkin has called out. One of them is Cotto, who at the time was lineal and WBC MW champion.
The other guy is Floyd, self proclaimed TBE, undefeated, defensive genius.

The fight with Ward fell through because of Ward. Here are two sources that outline what happened during GGG/Ward negotiations:

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-still-open-mayweather-froch-ward--90263

https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/6/16/8788845/gennady-golovkin-blasts-andre-ward

And here's another article where Golovkin himself talks about fight with Ward:

https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/3/19/8256671/gennady-golovkin-lists-his-top-five-most-desired-fights

• #4 Andre Ward: "I respect Andre, he is great champion. Fight with him, my first focus is 160. Second, I want pay-per-view fight. Excuse me, Andre, fight with him now is not pay-per-view fight. It's not unification fight, not pay-per-view fight, just nothing. Just for fans. For future, of course, maybe next year, maybe for future. Of course."

Everybody pretends those conversations didn't happen, they hold onto "154 to 168" and "lil g". When Golvokin was available, Ward was the one who was not serious about fighting. When Ward got serious, Golovkin was no longer available - and that's exactly what they told him, "maybe 2017". EVERYTHING supports Golovkin's team right now. Johnson or Lee this Spring, Canelo in fall. That pushes any potential non-unification fights into 2017.
In short, if you're someone with a brain, you read the situation and say "ok, I hope it happens in 201 or 18". If you're a hater, you'll continue with the brainless "Golovkin ducking Ward doe!!!" nonsense.

Also, Golovkin has shown willingness to fight ANYONE with a big name, including many fighters who are bigger than him. Examples include Ward, Froch, Chavez Jr.

[TrueBoxingFan23]

Did GGG tell Floyd he would need several tuneups and they could fight "sometime next year"?

The Ward "offer" was never serious. What serious person gives someone a callout not now, "but but but next year doe"? LMAO

Your either lying or confused! That deal was not with GGG! IT Was with Krusher! He was willing to fight GGG in the beginning of 2016 or end of 2015! Get your facts right!!!

[TrueBoxingFan23]

Sorry man, but that is absolute horse****.

There are only 2 guys that are "smaller" that Golovkin has called out. One of them is Cotto, who at the time was lineal and WBC MW champion.
The other guy is Floyd, self proclaimed TBE, undefeated, defensive genius.

The fight with Ward fell through because of Ward. Here are two sources that outline what happened during GGG/Ward negotiations:

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-still-open-mayweather-froch-ward--90263

https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/6/16/8788845/gennady-golovkin-blasts-andre-ward

And here's another article where Golovkin himself talks about fight with Ward:

https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/3/19/8256671/gennady-golovkin-lists-his-top-five-most-desired-fights

Everybody pretends those conversations didn't happen, they hold onto "154 to 168" and "lil g". When Golvokin was available, Ward was the one who was not serious about fighting. When Ward got serious, Golovkin was no longer available - and that's exactly what they told him, "maybe 2017". EVERYTHING supports Golovkin's team right now. Johnson or Lee this Spring, Canelo in fall. That pushes any potential non-unification fights into 2017.
In short, if you're someone with a brain, you read the situation and say "ok, I hope it happens in 201 or 18". If you're a hater, you'll continue with the brainless "Golovkin ducking Ward doe!!!" nonsense.

Also, Golovkin has shown willingness to fight ANYONE with a big name, including many fighters who are bigger than him. Examples include Ward, Froch, Chavez Jr.

There may be some truth to this post which I can respect, but Ward vs GGG is a ppv fight ! If Ward vs Krusher is then GGG vs Ward def is! My thing with GGG is I respect his talent! He's a beast but I feel like he gets 2 much praise when hasn't fought anyone but those same fans will call Floyd or Pac a cherry pick and GGG resume don't come close to either fighter and he's 34! There is no comp at 160! Canelo maybe, but after that it's Haymon fighters and that's probably not happening and even with that it's only Jacobs and Lee! He needs to fight at 160 and 168 to make real money and build legacy just as B Hop, Pac, Ward, Floyd, Leonard, Hearns, and Duran! Him saying I want all the belts is bull to me

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Sorry man, but that is absolute horse****.

There are only 2 guys that are "smaller" that Golovkin has called out. One of them is Cotto, who at the time was lineal and WBC MW champion.
The other guy is Floyd, self proclaimed TBE, undefeated, defensive genius.

The fight with Ward fell through because of Ward. Here are two sources that outline what happened during GGG/Ward negotiations:

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-still-open-mayweather-froch-ward--90263

https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/6/16/8788845/gennady-golovkin-blasts-andre-ward

And here's another article where Golovkin himself talks about fight with Ward:

https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/3/19/8256671/gennady-golovkin-lists-his-top-five-most-desired-fights

Everybody pretends those conversations didn't happen, they hold onto "154 to 168" and "lil g". When Golvokin was available, Ward was the one who was not serious about fighting. When Ward got serious, Golovkin was no longer available - and that's exactly what they told him, "maybe 2017". EVERYTHING supports Golovkin's team right now. Johnson or Lee this Spring, Canelo in fall. That pushes any potential non-unification fights into 2017.
In short, if you're someone with a brain, you read the situation and say "ok, I hope it happens in 201 or 18". If you're a hater, you'll continue with the brainless "Golovkin ducking Ward doe!!!" nonsense.

Also, Golovkin has shown willingness to fight ANYONE with a big name, including many fighters who are bigger than him. Examples include Ward, Froch, Chavez Jr.

That's what's up. I'll go along believing what about 90% of those inside of boxing believe. And that is Team GGG wanted no part of Ward. You like articles. Shouldn't be hard to find a countless number of them from other fighters, trainers, and boxing insiders. And you can go ahead and by GGG's bull****. Dude is pretty much a walking contradiction.

[b00g13man]

GGG defence force working overtime as always...

[texasboi15]

GGG has no need 2 go up in wt...many bouts @ MW.

BWaHAHaahahaHAHahahaahaHAHahaa!!

[j0zef]

That's what's up. I'll go along believing what about 90% of those inside of boxing believe. And that is Team GGG wanted no part of Ward. You like articles. Shouldn't be hard to find a countless number of them from other fighters, trainers, and boxing insiders. And you can go ahead and by GGG's bull****. Dude is pretty much a walking contradiction.

Sigh. Why did you even ask a question if your argument is "I have no proof of anything I say, but you're wrong".
NSB in a nutshell.