why is no one sold on wilder?

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  • Eff Pandas
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    #11
    Well not everyone isn't sold on him first off (obviously you are), but certainly more aren't sold on him than have purchased the Wilder bumper sticker for their car.

    I think its mostly attributable to:

    1 - he's had a manufactured record to a title shot. I'd be hard pressed who's had a easier road to a title than Wilder had & certainly even fewer have been able to get as far as he was with a poor record in the HW division which is a glamour division that people pay closer attention to & where usually its harder to sweep this sorta stuff under the rug for as long as they did

    2 - he's still very raw. This is partially due to his lack of competitive fights coming up. He mighta been better served skill-wise to have a L by now & been matched tougher earlier on.

    3 - he's with Haymon/PBC. Anyone with Haymon/PBC is automatically suspect by like 20%-33% of boxing fans these days I think.

    4 - he's not seemed super excited to fight Povetkin (to me anyway) & granted you could chalk that up to a business thing at the end of the day, but I feel with his raw skills & guarded record he has reason to not be super excited for that fight to go down.

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    • The Gambler1981
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      #12
      Well people have always been very skeptical of him because he is just not what you would call a smooth looking fighter. When you start from the place he did in peoples minds even if he does better he has to go that extra mile to really prove himself to the masses.

      Wilder has done better than most people would have thought (even much better because people thought he would amount to nothing if you go back and look), he hasn't really done great things just pretty good. Just being pretty good and improving each time out is not enough to really make it in boxing you pretty much have to become the man and Wilder is not there. He still has a great opportunity and solid tools to beat the competition in front of him but he has to actually accomplish things to get that high end recognition.

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      • ironmike2012
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        #13
        I'm not "sold" because he hasn't looked great, which against the fighters he has fought, he should look great (if he's the man).
        The murderer's row that he has fought, says a lot about the confidence that his team has in him.
        Before he was champ, he should have fought some former champs (like Tony Thompson) with something left or at least a few tough journeymen.
        Instead he fought no one, except when forced (the 2 best fighters, both were questionable, one looked like a fix, the other came in not 100% and the knockout king couldn't close the show).

        I also never heard him say a thing about Wlad, he gets beat, Wilder turns to Wendy Williams and can't stop talking about how he would have beat Wlad.


        If you have watched enough boxing, you remember the Jeff Lacy's.
        History always repeats itself, hype jobs always get exposed (unless they cherry pick and that exposes them too).

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        • STAX ON DECK
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          #14
          i am,we know why most wont support him but just ignore it,they have no choice when the time comes and hes the #1 undisputed HW champ of the world

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            #15
            Originally posted by Elroy1
            There has never been a more manufactured career than Wilder's since Muhammad Ali and there has never been such a prolific bum buster than the days of Kenny Norton and Sonny Liston...

            He is a fraud that would ALREADY be exposed, but for the fact that he is for some reason allowed to side step ALL top boxers.
            Wilder even goes around in a bus like the heavyweight in this movie:

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            • Luilun
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              #16
              Originally posted by nivek535
              im sold.
              dude has power and can box
              bronze medal not for nothing either

              why is no one sold on wilder?
              Can he fight some legit contenders for a change

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              • krazyn8tive
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                #17
                Because he's only fought one decent fighter his whole career. And PBC seems to be content with a lot of their fighters not fighting the next man up.

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                • BWC
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                  #18
                  In the early part of Wilder's career, a narrative developed in the boxing establishment that Wilder was terrible, a fraud, and would get brutally KO'd by the first decent fighter he faced. Since most people are sheep, many boxing fans have bought into the narrative and it stuck.

                  The boxing establishment loves stiffs like David Price, it has no time for people like Wilder, who came up on his own and started late. Like any other entrenched power structure, it can't handle it when it's not the one making all the decisions. It's the same reason they can't stand Haymon.

                  Wilder is easily a top 4 HW in the world and quite possibly No 1. People make much of his resume but Fury's best win pre-Wlad was Del Boy Chisora, who is a mediocre past-it headcase, and his next opponent is Jennings' best win. There is simply no reason to be so hateful to Wilder at this point..

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                  • creekrat77
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                    #19
                    I like many others aren't buying his dominance. Especially when his best name is against a dangerously dehydrated UD against a guy who was elite enough to beat Arreola..

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by LarryXXX
                      Because he is fighting the local garbage men and construction workers of the world...Ya'll buy into fighters before they even step up to elite comp....I was guilty of this with Broner
                      I always saw flaws in Broner.

                      In the fights against Gavin Reese, And Paulie when he was getting hit CLEAN by right hands, I remember telling my bro that 'if those punches had pop behind them, he would be done'

                      And it happened against Maidana and Porter, those same punches were hurting him all night long.

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